Do Christians really overly persecute homosexuals?

[Jeremiah]

Basically, I think it's coming down to either you are for us, and believe everything we say. Or you're against us because you're a hateful bigot. Deny one of us, you're a bigot.

Speaking in a general sense again? Are you going to once agian plead your special case and pretend like you didn't say what you just said?

 

[waitasec]

First of all, you haven't read my original post in its full context. Second, you're exemplifying this brand of hypocrisy that I'm talking about.

I haven't revealed on this thread, my own views on gay marriage. You're making assumptions as to how I feel about the bgltq community.

how am i "exemplifying this brand of hypocrisy?"

you said the word "prosecuted" is too strong of a word...that says plenty

 

[Jeremiah]

I think that is getting a little extreme. A person can totally love another person and still think that something they are doing may be wrong. I don't dwell on that since I do things that are pretty wrong myself sometimes. (and no, I am not stating that being gay is right or wrong, I am speaking generally).

" A person can totally love another person and still think that something they are doing may be wrong."

This is a two way street. One can disagree with what some Christians are doing but not hate the Christians themselves. I personally believe that the idea that homosexuality is a sin, is a pointless and a harmful belief; that it a mistake to uphold that belief. I will never suppress their freedom of expression or their freedom of religion, but I will speak out against this belief because of what I believe. At the very least, I think that is only fair, ChristineES.

 

[no-body]

Why don't you just accept that there will always be fringe groups that splinter off and make the sane group look bad?

Look at the nation of Islam or hardcore feminist. Sometimes people think the best course of action is to sink to the level of the bigot and take back the power they lost. It's not right but it should be understandable.

Really the entire argument by the OP makes me think of All in the family "are you telling me the black man has had the same fair share as you?" "no better I didn't have no million men marching for me"

 

[Jeremiah]

Ill be happy when we start up a hetero-pride parade, doesnt everyone want to see people half naked rubbing all over eachother in public? We should let heterosexual people get pink and blue bumper stickers and flags for their cars so EVERYONE knows were hetero!

"Ill be happy when we start up a hetero-pride parade, doesnt everyone want to see people half naked rubbing all over eachother in public?"

Go for it, I love scoping out half naked guys whether they are straight or gay (although gay guys are way hotter).

 

[waitasec]

Dawny, I just replied to another post on another thread but I think my response supports what you're saying, so I've copied it here:

"See, this overreaction right here on this thread is one thing that ticks people off about some gay rights activists.

I am not opposed to equal rights for LGBTs. In fact, I SUPPORT their rights to be treated equally under the law. I am adamantly opposed to discrimination based on sexual preference or lifestyle. I insist in my home and in my interactions that ALL people be treated with respect.

But somehow it seems - it's never enough, because apparently though I support gay rights and condemn discrimination, I am not saying "You're right." I'm saying "Do what you want - you're an adult," and that is never, NEVER enough for some people.

This shows, in my opinion, hypocrisy in many cases. Many of these same people don't hold the same religious or political beliefs that I do. Do I insist that they change their BELIEFS? No - all I want is for them to treat those who disagree with them with basic respect for their human rights, including the right to disagree - regardless of differences of belief or opinion.

But for some people, respect for human rights is never going to be enough. Some people feel persecuted simply because they know that some people don't believe that their lifestyle is morally right. When it comes to that level of interaction, I think it's unfair and basically NOT RIGHT to insist that others not only respect you, but also agree with you.

This is yet another form of intolerance. "Accept me for what I am" goes both ways."

who are you to judge?
you are putting beliefs and the natural state of a person in the same box
beliefs are based on choices...this is not a matter of choice, this is a matter of being

 

[no-body]

Everyday is a hetero pride parade. Turn on the TV. Or go to mardi gras.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Everyday is a hetero pride parade. Turn on the TV. Or go to mardi gras.

Exactly.

It all comes down to this for me....say whatever the hell you want about minorities, gays, women, and promiscuous women D), but once you start talking about having the right to VOTE against my rights I will not play nice.

As far as I'm concerned, you will have thrown the first punch. Bigotry, meet *****.

 

[it's_sam]

Go for it, I love scoping out half naked guys whether they are straight or gay (although gay guys are way hotter).

Unfortunately most hetero people are concerned about the message their giving to their youth so dont hold your breathe. We dont want people going around half naked because probably 8 out of 10 of those choices in people will leave you with a lifelong disease. We encourage the knowledge of what you face before diving head first into it, regardless if its gay or straight its dangerous.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Unfortunately most hetero people are concerned about the message their giving to their youth so dont hold your breathe. We dont want people going around half naked because probably 8 out of 10 of those choices in people will leave you with a lifelong disease. We encourage the knowledge of what you face before diving head first into it, regardless if its gay or straight its dangerous.

Say what?

 

[it's_sam]

Rights are different, if we protect the freedom of choice they have every right to do whatever it is that they want. If someone has the right to bear arms, this also leaves them the right to use them. The right to use arms are determined by the law because its dangerous reactions of its use. Its not what you have the right to do, its how you express what you find right to the rest of the world. Personaly I dont find shoving it in everyone face what you decided to do with your sexual parts as something that needs to be expressed publicly, be it hetero or gay keep it at home.

 

[Jeremiah]

General statement--

I don't care what you think or do, as long as it is not hurting others. But the data is in, religion has a big impact on sexual prejudice, sex prejudice has a big impact on homosexuals. This is about resolving an issue where people are being hurt, beyond that I don't care, believe whatever you want.

 

[fantome profane]

Unfortunately most hetero people are concerned about the message their giving to their youth so dont hold your breathe. We dont want people going around half naked ...

lol!

Nonsense, straight people are no more and no less concerned about the youth. Homosexuals are no more promiscuous, or lascivious, and no less concerned about the message sent to youth than heterosexuals. To imply otherwise is clearly bigotry, plan and simple.

 

[it's_sam]

Say what?

Heterosexual people dont have parades flaunting straight sex because we know its just going to happen and we want our children safe from bad spur of the moment choices. Hetero or gay people will just hop on eachother at any given moment, ofcourse not always but it happens and diseases are spread. We try to protect people from this by preserving who we give ourselves to and not generlizing it with parades.

 

[Jeremiah]

Rights are different, if we protect the freedom of choice they have every right to do whatever it is that they want. If someone has the right to bear arms, this also leaves them the right to use them. The right to use arms are determined by the law because its dangerous reactions of its use. Its not what you have the right to do, its how you express what you find right to the rest of the world. Personaly I dont find shoving it in everyone face what you decided to do with your sexual parts as something that needs to be expressed publicly, be it hetero or gay keep it at home.

" Personaly I dont find"

Personally, I don't care what you find. If I want to tell the world that I am gay, then that's my choice and my right. I am glad we could come to an understanding, eveyone gets freedom of expression.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Heterosexual people dont have parades flaunting straight sex because we know its just going to happen and we want our children safe from bad spur of the moment choices. Hetero or gay people will just hop on eachother at any given moment, ofcourse not always but it happens and diseases are spread. We try to protect people from this by preserving who we give ourselves to and not generlizing it with parades.

Hetersexuals don't flaunt? You're kidding me, right?

Quick, count how many gay pride parades happening at this moment. Now count how many Viagra (or any other meds for erectile dysfunction) commercials there are. Straight pride is EVERYWHERE you look.

 

[it's_sam]

lol!

Nonsense, straight people are no more and no less concerned about the youth. Homosexuals are no more promiscuous, or lascivious, and no less concerned about the message sent to youth than heterosexuals. To imply otherwise is clearly bigotry, plan and simple.

Exactly... wich leaves what? The parents, the ones actively trying to protect their childrens future. Christians take it personaly because their childrens influences are personal. The problem is their stance on it is unbending and unforgiving. I too agree that peoples choice is what they choose and thats it. This is very similair I think to the feminist explosions in recent times. They generlized the males turning us into beer drinking, football watching, overweight meat-heads. I as well as many other men still fight against these generalizations. They want their rights, I agree they deserve them. Why does it need to be shown publicly in our streets? They have black covers on porno mags for a reason, so people arent exposed to something they havnt matured to on their own. Early exposure isnt a death sentance but most guys I know that had porno all the time were the same ones that moved up to strip clubs when they got older. Again this is their choice but they will never have full trust with a mate, because its known their mind wanders.

 

[it's_sam]

Quick, count how many gay pride parades happening at this moment. Now count how many Viagra

Uhh thats not a bias drug, its for gays too.

 

[fallingblood]

if you are judged for having brown eyes,
do you not call that bigotry?

No, I don't. Like I said, you're throwing the word around too willy nilly.

this isn't about disagreements, this is about having prejudice's against someone's natural truth.
"i don't condone their behavior" is saying i don't condone who they are

you are implying their natural preference is made by choice when you throw in the word condone...it is not ANYONES right to condone anyone natural state

I'm implying no such thing. You're making that assumption. You are ignoring what I've stated by making that assumption, as in when I stated extremely clearly that I believe homosexuality is not a choice.

Also, it is my right to not personally condone anything I don't want to. I have the right to believe whatever I want.

 

[no-body]

Heterosexual people dont have parades flaunting straight sex because we know its just going to happen and we want our children safe from bad spur of the moment choices. Hetero or gay people will just hop on eachother at any given moment, ofcourse not always but it happens and diseases are spread. We try to protect people from this by preserving who we give ourselves to and not generlizing it with parades.

You have no idea what pride parades are about or for and I'm guessing the image you get in your head is a bunch of muscly men wearing speedos spanking each other on penis floats.

Look: you are told from the day that you realize who you are that it is wrong to be yourself, even just holding the hands of the person you love in public is deemed immoral. It's not about sex it's about shattering the so called "traditional normal" concepts that society wants to box everyone into.

Sure some of the pride parades do get a bit out of hand because they are about celebrating SEXUALITY (not sex) but so do straight parades and no one bats an eye at that.