Do you as a Muslim believe in women's equality?

[Woodrow LI]

I am against juridic particularism in general. so I am against Judaic civil courts too.

I sincerely don't care about the US. Fortunately there are civilized and modern countries like France which assure one civil law for all citizens.

the law is the only thing that assures unity. Juridic particularism favors absence of state

but they exist here in the USA. for equal treatment what applies to one people should apply to all. If other religions are permitted to use their civil laws, Muslims should have the same right.

 

[Woodrow LI]

you don't even consider the international law. Fortunately we Europeans have a supreme court which defends the human rights. A sentence (31 july 2001) states that
Like the Constitutional Court, the Court considers that sharia, which faithfully reflects the dogmas and divine rules laid down by religion, is stable and invariable. Principles such as pluralism in the political sphere or the constant evolution of public freedoms have no place in it. The Court notes that, when read together, the offending statements, which contain explicit references to the introduction of sharia, are difficult to reconcile with the fundamental principles of democracy, as conceived in the Convention taken as a whole. It is difficult to declare one’s respect for democracy and human rights while at the same time supporting a regime based on sharia, which clearly diverges from Convention values, particularly with regard to its criminal law and criminal procedure, its rules on the legal status of women and the way it intervenes in all spheres of private and public life in accordance with religious precepts. In addition, the statements concerning the desire to found a “just order” or the “order of justice” or “God’s order”, when read in their context,and even though they lend themselves to various interpretations, have as their common denominator the fact that they refer to religious or divine rules in order to define the political regime advocated by the speakers. They reveal ambiguity about those speakers’ attachment to any order not based on religious rules. In the Court’s view, a political party whose actions seem to be aimed at introducing sharia in a State party to the Convention can hardly be regarded as an association complying with the democratic ideal that underlies the whole of the Convention.

I am really tired of listening to Muslim people that the sharia civil law is not asking much. Both the criminal and the civil law are against human rights

I should not have put the spaces in.
I intended the content to be understood as:
Judaic.Amish,Native American,Mennonite,Mormon,etc Civil laws do not apply to Muslims


sharia civil law should have no more effect on non-Muslims than Judaic Circumcision laws have on Christians.
Actually in France because of the way civil law is handled a Muslim could and some probably do circumvent the polygamy laws. As the Islamic marriage is not recognized a Muslim could sign a Nikkah with 4 women and it would not be recognized as marriage. since he is not married under french laws, he is not committing polygamy.

 

[Estro Felino]

I should not have put the spaces in.
I intended the content to be understood as:
Judaic.Amish,Native American,Mennonite,Mormon,etc Civil laws do not apply to Muslims


sharia civil law should have no more effect on non-Muslims than Judaic Circumcision laws have on Christians.
Actually in France because of the way civil law is handled a Muslim could and some probably do circumvent the polygamy laws. As the Islamic marriage is not recognized a Muslim could sign a Nikkah with 4 women and it would not be recognized as marriage. since he is not married under french laws, he is not committing polygamy.

okay, we are going off topic here. I think that the concept doesn't change: all women, regardless of their religion, should be treated equally before the law. If they state allows juridic particularism and the application of civil law among consenting parties, all right, I deeply respect that.

but Muslims cannot expect European states like France or Italy to do the same. It's just illusion. It will never happen.
for instance, the Italian law considers illegal even the application of the Catholic Church law (Canon law).
a sentence of the Catholic civil court is worth less than zero before a Italian court and before the Italian law.

so why should the Islamic law deserve a special treatment?
given that in a secular state like France and Italy religions are worth nothing before the law?

 

[Woodrow LI]

okay, we are going off topic here. I think that the concept doesn't change: all women, regardless of their religion, should be treated equally before the law. If they state allows juridic particularism and the application of civil law among consenting parties, all right, I deeply respect that.

but Muslims cannot expect European states like France or Italy to do the same. It's just illusion. It will never happen.
for instance, the Italian law considers illegal even the application of the Catholic Church law (Canon law).
a sentence of the Catholic civil court is worth less than zero before a Italian court and before the Italian law.

so why should the Islamic law deserve a special treatment?
given that in a secular state like France and Italy religions are worth nothing before the law?

I am not saying Islamic law should receive special treatment I am sayint it should receive the same treatment as other religious civil laws receive in the USA
If France does not recognise the civil religious laws of other religions I have no issue with them not recognising Islamic Civil laws

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

We believe in the rights they received from Allah and the Messenger pbuh.
And about this issue, we do not ask the disbeliever what rights should we give our sisters or our brothers.

 

[Estro Felino]

I also read and write more than one language and I have found that the Semitic and Native American languages do not translate well into the Indo European languages.
I find Arabic very difficult to translate as it contains concepts that do not appear in English. Such as De'en, Dunya, Kafir, Masha Allah, Ramatullahi, Baraktuhu
One can not accurately translate Arabic it has to be interpreted which leaves much to the interpreters opinion and bias
If you compare the English OT with the Hebrew Tanakh you will find quite q few differences in understanding. Hebrew, and Aramaic like Arabic do not translate into Indo European Languages and have to be interpreted rather than translated.

I am sorry, but I don't accept this justification. According to this vision, no book written in a Semitic language can be translated in English

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

No
I do not believe any 2 people should be treated equally no matter what their gender is.
I believe in fair and just treatment for all.

Equal treatment usually is neither fair nor just.

a man has 2 children a boy and a girl. If he sends them both to feed the horses should they be treated equal and both have to carry a 100 pound bail of hay. Or should they be treated fairly and each carry only what they can carry comfortably?
No 2 people are equal, we all have different strengths and weaknesses we all should be treated fairly in accordance with our abilities and limitations.

You useTekkelot here
1. Islam will not know of equality — — —
2. Islam will not recognize the rights of women
3. inheritance-.
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4. women and faeces in one degree
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And in Arabic
5. in Islamic paradise
7. man has several nymphs practiced with sex
8. women have no right to sexual pleasure as men
9. the man is entitled to four women
10. Division of pleasure for men
11. Islam school sex
12. divorce right men only
13. women have the right to differentiate
14. a man has the right to beat women
15. (apostasy) is an Islamic system is an insult to women
16. the imprisonment of women for men
17. women of the Muslim wars trophies
18. Mohammad married a war trophy
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In conclusion, I wish you could talk right
19. Islamic law not valid in Western societies
20. If a Muslim wanted his law and considers it preferable to leave Saudi Arabia or Iraq

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

In Islam both men and woman are obligated to be married if they are mentally, physically and financially able.
Marriage is considered a religious obligation for both men and women.
We consider marriage to be 1/2 of our worship.

ان كنتم على غائط او لامستم النساء

This verse is equal between the device and the faeces at the same provision
And speaks good Arabic knows this verse
But he interpreted away lyrics
I'msurprisedwomenin Islam
Howto acceptthis provisionof the Qur'an
1. woman is my mother and my sister and my daughter and my wife
How are the equal of faeces
2. Mohammed said
Women were underrepresented in mind and religion
3. do you accept these ideas Westerners???

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

IstudiedIslamic law
And if you want the inheritance law in Islam to send you a copy of the lectures he kept
2. do you know the meaning of reliability in inheritance??
3. God did not know the correct Division???
Omar?intervention?
And divide the inheritance??
It's called theagequestion??
The Islamic law of inheritance will not fit for people with advanced it retarded

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

We see marriage as a religious obligation. It is 1/2 of our worship



The ruling is designed to protect a woman's wealth. typically a woman will buy gold jewelry. A man is not permitted to own or wear gold jewlry. This makes it very difficult for a man to marry a woman for her money.


It is Sunnah to wear it, a woman will receive blessings and rewards if she does so, of her own free will
Outside of Saudi and Iran it is not uncommon for Muslim women not to wear it. Although the majority do choose to do so. My wife would break my arm if I ever attempted to stop her from wearing her hijab.

You useTekkelot-
Do you knowthe meaning ofthe mukhala'ah?s
Why women use Khula '?
Khula ' means the assignment of women to their rights for men
Fordifferentiatingbetween them
Because divorce is the right man only
The mansaysthe worddivorceonly
Womendo not havethis right??
Is thisa justjudgment of Godin Islam?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

After the fall ofSaddam HusseininIraq
TheMuslims
And they ordered us to wear our women veil
Because it prevented my daughter to go to University for fear of these monsters
Yes my daughter was denied education because of my opposition to the Islamic veil
That cameo robs woman her dignity and humanity and

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

All Abrahamic religions have become extremely sexist, Yeshua isn't included as he tried to teach equality...Yet Christianity, Islam and Judaism are beyond a joke or more bluntly, disgustingly sexist.

So when you say does Islam believe in equality, depends what you compare it against.... If you compared it to nature, where we see females organizing everything and being the matriarchs or in comparison these 3 Abrahamic religions, which all have teachings on that women are incapable of learning.

Christianity recognizes talent
She says that everyone in a certain talent
Original Christianity would not prevent women from exercising their right to normal life
Christian would say discrimination between women and men
Islamis notthe Abrahamicreligion

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

To see whenthe veilI seeabuse ofthedignity of women
Why be afraid of showing and John
God whocreated
Does looking atwomenis forbidden.
The devil iswithin us
If you see women, moral moved me
Not the devil
Therefore I respect women without the veil as a beauty on Earth
Islamwilllovesbeauty
It will not be like God

 

[Robert.Evans]

Why is a woman to support her husband's faith and a man is not to support his wife's faith? Why is the faith of a woman not as important as that of a man? It seems it is made a duty for the woman to religiously do as her husband does, but not for a man to religiously do as his wife does. Doesn't this speak to a basic inequality?

Because even as the NT says, man is the head of woman. It shows humility which women seem to struggle with now that they have more power.
Everything comes form the Masculine within the divine not the Feminine, that was second. As such the Truth is with the Masculine and as such the woman then should follow the man, even if in this flawed world realm we error in many ways, men and women

 

[Robert.Evans]

Having said that, I understand that Muslims do not have an exclusive on terrorism. It was going on in the western world long before Muslim extremists hit the headlines. The IRA were blowing people up in Britain and Ireland only a few decades ago and they were supposed to be Christians!

What a good point; we might add onto that that in the 50s and 60s the atheist in Romania and Russia imprisoned killed tortured and knocked down temples of anyone who believed, largley being Christians.

 

[Robert.Evans]

the support would be along the lines of keeping the house halal, no pictures on the walls, no statues no religious symbols of worship, Not allowing non-Muslims to touch a Qur'an, Being certain she does not bring any forbidden foods into the house. Being certain all who come into the house take their shoes ofr first. Keeping one part of the house suitable to say the obligatory prayers
etc

I think there is a lot about your faith which is right, and it is a shame that Christianity does not follow suit.

 

[Robert.Evans]

. You seem to be completely oblivious to the fact you are mandating the idea that women are to be forever beholdent to, and dependent upon, the male!

What is wrong with that? It has worked for generations upon generations. It helps keep the family together and each then knows the own roles. it does not mean it has to be abused of course. Perhaps som e think that women should be able to work and therefore take the jobs of men that men have made in the first place and split up the family because women don't need men. I don't see that is good for the human race nor society, only for greed orientated women, who are largely western in origin.

 

[Robert.Evans]

That is nothing like empowering! I

They have certainly been empowered in the UK. We have recently had a woman stab four men to death and leave two for dead in a park. If that is equality, I say it is wrong. At one time women used to show men up, which they should still be doing now, not trying to do the same stupid things that we do.

 

[Robert.Evans]

where you will see that a damning 19 of the bottom 20 worst countries in the world to be a woman are Moslem majority ones.

Not helped by the west's and largely America's foreign policies towards them which helps keep them poor in the first place. Since when has dialogue gone out of the window and the only way we have communicating is with the b-mb?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Islamis notthe Abrahamicreligion

It is one of them.