Do you as a Muslim believe in women's equality?

[Robert.Evans]

You do realize that women often make less money for the same amount of work production as men?

Do you support equality in this regard?

Which women are we talking about? In most basic unqualified jobs in the UK they get the same, even if they don't do the same amount of work at times. And there is a certain age group now where women make money than men. You will perhaps be happy when you have given it all away and then ask mummy for something so you don't have to work eh...haha. This thread is evidence of the feminine goddess that rules the land now. always trying to lift up the feminine and knock down the masculine. Shame.

 

[Robert.Evans]

and I find this medieval and backward. Whether it deals with Judaic or Sharia law. Juridic particularism is something medieval.

Modernity came when a law equal for everyone was created

And with modernity we get a break up of the family and fornication, adultery, a lack of jobs for men, more aggressive fighting women.... yeah that's good, modernity!

 

[Estro Felino]

And with modernity we get a break up of the family and fornication, adultery, a lack of jobs for men, more aggressive fighting women.... yeah that's good, modernity!

yes, and the break up of the family is really a blessing. Because family implies children and the world is overpopulated.
unemployment is the direct consequence of overpopulation

 

[Robert.Evans]

Thanks for your honesty.

I can't help but to resent patriarchal constructs that confine women to specific gender roles.

I can't help but resent matriarchal constructs that confine men to specific gender roles.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Lol in Saudi women can't even drive,

So? The more freedom there is in that regard the more chance of adultery. We all answer to God. I think it is a logical rule.

and it's the heart of the Islamic world. In Iran women are stoned for 'adultery'.

So don't commit it. Men are stoned also, though I cannot say for sure if they are in that land.

In the rest of the Islamic world women hold a very low position.

That depends on how you judge people.

The kinda stuff that happens in Afghanistan and Iraq/Syria to women would give most Islamist defending liberals a nightmare.

Perhaps they should have women in their army that humiliate caught men soldiers as an americal woman soldier did.

The only exception to this is Turkey, because of the huge secularizing movements of the 20th century. Women don't have true equality anywhere in the world, but in the Islamic world it's the lowest.

So now we have made the world so false, they can do it all eh? So hand it over to them, is that it? So what of bringing up the human race? Just dump the kids on someone else I guess, and then the wife brings in a wage for me as well as mine eh? So looking after my own interests I think. Fine.
The one thing that has changed society so much in the past few decades is feminism and not for the better, other than making women more powerful and richer. There have been many negative sides such as the crime rate and the demise of any kind of social cohesion in the family... weyyy, go girl!

 

[Robert.Evans]

I suspect that this is an excuse to hide the real motive: that is, Arabs think their culture and language is superior to the other ones.

I would suggest we all do, if we are honest... otherwise we would copy their practices wouldn't we.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Christianity recognizes talent
She says that everyone in a certain talent
Original Christianity would not prevent women from exercising their right to normal life
Christian would say discrimination between women and men
Islamis notthe Abrahamicreligion

... which is why Christian scripture says that women should remain silent in church.

Is hypocrisy a sin in your religion?

 

[Robert.Evans]

@Hay85
No a break up of the family implies adultery and we shall all answer to God for that, you should know that. Unemployment is a direct action of women working. And just becuase you are married does not mean you have to have children. Women could help otehr women to bring up their's right so that we have a better society in the first place.

 

[Debater Slayer]

So? The more freedom there is in that regard the more chance of adultery. We all answer to God. I think it is a logical rule.

So don't commit it. Men are stoned also, though I cannot say for sure if they are in that land.

That depends on how you judge people.

Perhaps they should have women in their army that humiliate caught men soldiers as an americal woman soldier did.

So now we have made the world so false, they can do it all eh? So hand it over to them, is that it? So what of bringing up the human race? Just dump the kids on someone else I guess, and then the wife brings in a wage for me as well as mine eh? So looking after my own interests I think. Fine.
The one thing that has changed society so much in the past few decades is feminism and not for the better, other than making women more powerful and richer. There have been many negative sides such as the crime rate and the demise of any kind of social cohesion in the family... weyyy, go girl!

Thanks for the psychopathic misogyny we are seeing in this thread. Keep up the good work.

 

[Robert.Evans]

... which is why Christian scripture says that women should remain silent in church.

Is hypocrisy a sin in your religion?

Which meant they should not speak over the speaker. In otehr words be quiet like the men are. though I have to ask, what would be wrong with that?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Thanks for the psychopathic misogyny we are seeing in this thread. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for the verbal attack with no effort to discuss anything.... but what's new.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Regarding the OP, I'm interested to know how Muslim members here interpret the highlighted part of the following verse (translation from here):

O you who have believed, when you contract a debt for a specified term, write it down. And let a scribe write [it] between you in justice. Let no scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him. So let him write and let the one who has the obligation dictate. And let him fear Allah , his Lord, and not leave anything out of it. But if the one who has the obligation is of limited understanding or weak or unable to dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For [then] there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is [grave] disobedience in you. And fear Allah . And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things.

From reading the text in Arabic, I think it is very clear in its teaching that men and women are not equal, but if any Muslim members here think otherwise, I would like to hear their interpretation.

Edit: I particularly value @Pastek's and @MuslimaInBlack's opinions on Islamic teachings, so it would be good if they could chime in on this thread.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Which meant they should not speak over the speaker. In otehr words be quiet like the men are. though I have to ask, what would be wrong with that?

Then why aren't there similar commandments for men? That is, why did the authors feel the need to mention that for women but not for men as well?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Then why aren't there similar commandments for men? That is, why did the authors feel the need to mention that for women but not for men as well?

Men were already doing it. Women came into the synagogues later.

 

[Estro Felino]

I would suggest we all do, if we are honest... otherwise we would copy their practices wouldn't we.

I don't. and the 80% of my people don't either
we actually consider ourselves inferior to the Anglo-Saxon nations

 

[Estro Felino]

@Hay85
No a break up of the family implies adultery and we shall all answer to God for that, you should know that. Unemployment is a direct action of women working. And just becuase you are married does not mean you have to have children. Women could help otehr women to bring up their's right so that we have a better society in the first place.

why shouldn't they? don't you think that they deserve economic independence from men?

 

[Koldo]

What is wrong with that? It has worked for generations upon generations. It helps keep the family together and each then knows the own roles. it does not mean it has to be abused of course. Perhaps som e think that women should be able to work and therefore take the jobs of men that men have made in the first place and split up the family because women don't need men. I don't see that is good for the human race nor society, only for greed orientated women, who are largely western in origin.

They have certainly been empowered in the UK. We have recently had a woman stab four men to death and leave two for dead in a park. If that is equality, I say it is wrong. At one time women used to show men up, which they should still be doing now, not trying to do the same stupid things that we do.

Because they lie gossip and slander too much

Thank you for making your mysogyny clearly apparent.

 

[Robert.Evans]

From reading the text in Arabic, I think it is very clear in its teaching that men and women are not equal, but if any Muslim members here think otherwise, I would like to hear their interpretation.

What does it matter if we are not equal? Nothing is.

 

[Robert.Evans]

why shouldn't they? don't you think that they deserve economic independence from men?

No.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Thank you for making your mysogyny clearly apparent.

Thankyou for the insult and a wonderful discussion.