methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
P.S. You were not specific, if you mean what part of the world I am in, I have lived in Ohio since I was in the military in '89.
woops, didn't see this bit.
So lets go with this.
Where is Ohio?
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P.S. You were not specific, if you mean what part of the world I am in, I have lived in Ohio since I was in the military in '89.
Did you have a question about God?
P.S. Do you not feel it is ignorant for an atheist to take part in a discussion about God? It simply shows immaturity, you want people that accept the reality of God to tolerate you, but YOU refuse to tolerate them. It would seem that it is your self esteem that needs checked. I am not being hateful, I am simply speaking the Truth. I was in your shoes for 38 years, so I know what you are going through, but I show no mercy, because you have the power to change it. God forgives ignorance again and again, for me, I cannot find a way to do that. Yes, I am a sinner, as I cannot forgive ignorance.
P.P.S. If you need those URL's to the atheist boards let me know and I will look them up for you.
1. This is a reference to our physical life here on earth? If it is, then I would say of course. Do you feel the Creator cannot destroy what He has created? Is there something that man creates that he does not destroy? God takes no pleasure in death though, the action that He takes always conforms to His Plan.
Actually I am a little confused as to the exact question. Are you asking that if God creates an object that He cannot destroy then He is not God? If this is the question then it would be prudent to understand that what is Created can be destroyed. I will use an example from the book that explains this, as it pertains to humans:
Actually, we have no evidence of this. My beliefs say the exact opposite of what you're saying. If God can destroy mass, then i'd like to see him do it, because it goes against something which you claim he made (Laws of Physics).As you can see, anything that God creates can be destroyed.
Ah, array theory. Sure things can be destroyed (Even, as you say, humans can do that) but will their component parts be destroyed? I believe not.Most of the things that He has created, that we know of, is atomic, and we already know how to use atoms to destroy things.
Can you explain this please?It is believed that you cannot destroy matter, however if matter has been created, then you can destroy it.
Ok so this goes back to my question which you still haven't really answered. My beliefs go fully against your concept of creation and destruction but nevertheless, let's assume your principle:Maybe mankind has not figured out how yet, but it can be done, even if it can only be done by God.
If we're going to make this a scientific argument, can we get the facts right, please?
Mass can be "destroyed" by converting it into energy. Likewise, mass can be "created" by converting energy into mass. The ratio of these conversions is E = mc^2 (energy equals mass times the speed of light squared). In fact, to be very technical, mass and energy are the same (wave/particle duality) although it is usually more mathematically convenient to treat it as one or the other.
The law of conservation of mass was amended to be the law of conservation of mass/energy more than half a century ago.
I noticed you refer to both the Bible and the Qur'an. Obviously those are not the only religious texts used by people who want to know about God. Do you think there is anything that can be learned about God by reading The Book of Mormon, for instance? Why or why not?What you are doing now is reading words in a book, gaining evermore knowledge about God. There is a beginning to this book and there is an end, therefore there is a finite amount of knowledge that you can learn from this book or any book, this includes the Bible and the Quran. Think of the Bible and the Quran as your introduction to God. You must yourself speak with God through prayer to gain more wisdom, wisdom that you simply cannot learn in a book. When you turn to God and get this increased amount of knowledge and wisdom, be advised that this comes with increased responsibility.
If we're going to make this a scientific argument, can we get the facts right, please?
Mass can be "destroyed" by converting it into energy. Likewise, mass can be "created" by converting energy into mass. The ratio of these conversions is E = mc^2 (energy equals mass times the speed of light squared). In fact, to be very technical, mass and energy are the same (wave/particle duality) although it is usually more mathematically convenient to treat it as one or the other.
The law of conservation of mass was amended to be the law of conservation of mass/energy more than half a century ago.
Imagist said:If we're going to make this a scientific argument, can we get the facts right, please?
Mass can be "destroyed" by converting it into energy. Likewise, mass can be "created" by converting energy into mass. The ratio of these conversions is E = mc^2 (energy equals mass times the speed of light squared). In fact, to be very technical, mass and energy are the same (wave/particle duality) although it is usually more mathematically convenient to treat it as one or the other.
The law of conservation of mass was amended to be the law of conservation of mass/energy more than half a century ago.
Not "destroyed", converted. I do not "destroy" mash, water, yeast, and hops to make beer, I convert it.:drool:
Wait, I thought you were going to convey the answers from your source. As far as offering your interpretation of scripture, please don't bother.
Since you wish to rely on "verse mining" to answer questions, I'll do the same. Here you go, God told Moses early on...
Leviticus 1
1 The LORD called to Moses and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting. He said, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any of you brings an offering to the LORD, bring as your offering an animal from either the herd or the flock.
3 " 'If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, he is to offer a male without defect. He must present it at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting so that it [a] will be acceptable to the LORD. 4 He is to lay his hand on the head of the burnt offering, and it will be accepted on his behalf to make atonement for him. 5 He is to slaughter the young bull before the LORD, and then Aaron's sons the priests shall bring the blood and sprinkle it against the altar on all sides at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 6 He is to skin the burnt offering and cut it into pieces. 7 The sons of Aaron the priest are to put fire on the altar and arrange wood on the fire. 8 Then Aaron's sons the priests shall arrange the pieces, including the head and the fat, on the burning wood that is on the altar. 9 He is to wash the inner parts and the legs with water, and the priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD.
10 " 'If the offering is a burnt offering from the flock, from either the sheep or the goats, he is to offer a male without defect. 11 He is to slaughter it at the north side of the altar before the LORD, and Aaron's sons the priests shall sprinkle its blood against the altar on all sides. 12 He is to cut it into pieces, and the priest shall arrange them, including the head and the fat, on the burning wood that is on the altar. 13 He is to wash the inner parts and the legs with water, and the priest is to bring all of it and burn it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD. 14 " 'If the offering to the LORD is a burnt offering of birds, he is to offer a dove or a young pigeon. 15 The priest shall bring it to the altar, wring off the head and burn it on the altar; its blood shall be drained out on the side of the altar. 16 He is to remove the crop with its contents [b] and throw it to the east side of the altar, where the ashes are. 17 He shall tear it open by the wings, not severing it completely, and then the priest shall burn it on the wood that is on the fire on the altar. It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD.
It's very interesting how you Dodge the bulk of my questions about the source material for your "truth". You think I'm asking about religion, I'm not. I'm asking questions about the source material you are using. My questions are aimed at having you support the veracity of your claims. You see, the books that you claim introduced you to God are written by men. Thus, they offer man's definition of God and the relationship that man is expected to have with that concept of God. You say you reject religion, that's fine, but you haven't also rejected the basis for the religions that you are rejecting.
Bottomline, you're claiming to be able to define a concept of God and what our relationship with that god is supposed to be. If that concept is based on the texts that you claim it is, then support the veracity of the information therein or speak to your source directly and have them explain these problems with the texts. It really shouldn't be hard to do if you have the Man on speed-dial. Thanks again for your time.
No Theodore, It is not that I am unable to learn the truth - it is that veils have been set - by God - that keep me from learning the truth.
Why would God do this ?
And - why then, does God not Love me ? And Why is the punishment so severe ?
woops, didn't see this bit.
So lets go with this.
Where is Ohio?
1. What is his name?
2. What is his quest?
3. What is his favorite color?
4. What is the capital of Assyria?
5. What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
No, it's not ignorant. If there is room for people who believe that they get answers directly from god, then the possibility that god doesn't exist certainly is worth exploring.
And for the record, I have my doubts that you were ever in my shoes. If you were, you would at least have a basic understanding of the burden of proof argument, even if you don't think it's true. As is I don't see any evidence that you even understand my beliefs.
Ah, we've already reached the "I can't win an argument with you so just go away" phase?
I have already stated that the source of the Truth comes from God, yet you ask questions about which man wrote which book, what does that have to do with God?
So in Exodus 7:3, God hardens the heart of Pharaoh, to ensure he will not listen to Moses and Aaron. Then, as a result of God hardening Pharaohs heart, God kills all the firstborn in Egypt that are not protected by the lambs blood.
This is all according to His Plan and is therefore justified?
According to Exodus, God ensured that the innocent would die.
I think you've got some sort of limited thinking ability problem. You seem to assume that God HAS to be omnipotent. I can just about imagine a God that is not omnipotent, but an omnipotent one is just not feasible. Like everything there is a chance, but the paradox is just too great for me to ignore.
Actually, we have no evidence of this. My beliefs say the exact opposite of what you're saying. If God can destroy mass, then i'd like to see him do it, because it goes against something which you claim he made (Laws of Physics).
Ah, array theory. Sure things can be destroyed (Even, as you say, humans can do that) but will their component parts be destroyed? I believe not.
Can you explain this please?
Ok so this goes back to my question which you still haven't really answered. My beliefs go fully against your concept of creation and destruction but nevertheless, let's assume your principle:
God can make everything (Omnipotence)
God can destroy everything (Omnipotence)
Assuming what you say, Everything that is made can be destroyed.
Can God make something which is NOT able to be destroyed, even by God? The answer, as you say it, would be no. The answer as I see it would be yes.
In either case, Omnipotence is disproven.
Do you want to try again? Y/N?
Thank you for your other answers by the way, they were very interesting
GhK
If we're going to make this a scientific argument, can we get the facts right, please?
Mass can be "destroyed" by converting it into energy. Likewise, mass can be "created" by converting energy into mass. The ratio of these conversions is E = mc^2 (energy equals mass times the speed of light squared). In fact, to be very technical, mass and energy are the same (wave/particle duality) although it is usually more mathematically convenient to treat it as one or the other.
The law of conservation of mass was amended to be the law of conservation of mass/energy more than half a century ago.
I noticed you refer to both the Bible and the Qur'an. Obviously those are not the only religious texts used by people who want to know about God. Do you think there is anything that can be learned about God by reading The Book of Mormon, for instance? Why or why not?
Please allow me to explain even further...
You said you were introduced to God by reading various scriptures. You have also referenced those scriptures as "The Word of God". You use those scriptures to "answer questions" as though those "words of god" are your source. Yet, the source of that written material has nothing to do with God? You actually mean to say that you dont' understand what that has to do with God? Can your source not answer my questions?
Aren't we talking about God here? The Alpha and the Omega baby! Man! He who is I am! ... and all that jazz. You have an audience with the big cheese and can't get these questions answered? That is very unimpressive. Thanks anyway for your responses.
Do you want me to try what again? Are you stating that since God cannot destroy Himself, that He is not Omnipotent? O.K. I will not argue against that. Does this fact change anything? I mean is God now not God because He cannot destroy Himself.
Well...Thank you...You seem like a very intelligent individual, so blame it on my ignorance as I am not seeing the point that you are making.