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Do you own any guns

Do you own any guns

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 35.4%
  • No

    Votes: 31 64.6%

  • Total voters
    48

Audie

Veteran Member
Because you, the human for which the guns were made as tools to increase your ability to kill, have decided not to use them.

Easy access to these weapons increases the availability to people who will decide to use them.
People have been killing eachother for a long time.
Don't underestimate the ability to keep finding
new ways to do it.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
People have been killing eachother for a long time.
Don't underestimate the ability to keep finding
new ways to do it.
But why provide such a lethal means of doing so when so many societies manage without, and without all the associated deaths?
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
People have been killing eachother for a long time.
Don't underestimate the ability to keep finding
new ways to do it.

Guns provide a quick and easy way to do it that removes the murderer from the killing and any innate response to compassion or horror for gore that might occur.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Because you, the human for which the guns were made as tools to increase your ability to kill, have decided not to use them.

Easy access to these weapons increases the availability to people who will decide to use them.
This is good when limited to responsible people.
There's much potential to improve this limitation.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Guns provide a quick and easy way to do it that removes the murderer from the killing and any innate response to compassion or horror for gore that might occur.
So does the bomb or molotov cocktail.
Even more, the subtle introduction of
poisons.
Do you have professional knowledge
of the psychology involved?
I don't think you've untroduced a clear
and compelling reason for confiscating
all guns.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
So does the bomb or molotov cocktail.
Even more, the subtle introduction of
poisons.
Do you have professional knowledge
of the psychology involved?
I don't think you've untroduced a clear
and compelling reason for confiscating
all guns.

Bombs and molotov cocktails are very dangerous and do pose the same problem, yes. They are also illegal.

I am educated in ethology and psychology.

I am also not arguing for confiscating guns, so that checks out.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
People have been killing eachother for a long time.
Don't underestimate the ability to keep finding
new ways to do it.

Of course, and people have also been restricting the use of the devices we use to make killing easier for a while as well.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
People have been killing eachother for a long time.
Don't underestimate the ability to keep finding
new ways to do it.
Yet we shouldn't make the easiest way to kill others more available. Making it harder to kill others should be a priority for a stable and mature society. Someone with a knife or hammer attacking a crowd will have a harder time achieving a huge body count because once a citizen is out of arm's reach the danger is over. Bullets can catch up to a person running for their lives. The American Dream ends for those victims.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
But why provide such a lethal means of doing so when so many societies manage without, and without all the associated deaths?
Because those who would attack you also have lethal tools.
Old Revoltistanian saying....
Ya canna use a haggis to defend yerself agin an armed thug.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Yet we shouldn't make the easiest way to kill others more available. Making it harder to kill others should be a priority for a stable and mature society. Someone with a knife or hammer attacking a crowd will have a harder time achieving a huge body count because once a citizen is out of arm's reach the danger is over. Bullets can catch up to a person running for their lives. The American Dream ends for those victims.
Should should should. And I, a 4 ft 11in 90
something lb female should certainly
never be allowed a usable means of self defense.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Yet we shouldn't make the easiest way to kill others more available. Making it harder to kill others should be a priority for a stable and mature society. Someone with a knife or hammer attacking a crowd will have a harder time achieving a huge body count because once a citizen is out of arm's reach the danger is over. Bullets can catch up to a person running for their lives. The American Dream ends for those victims.
Look up the massacre at Nice,
France a few years ago.
Using a truck. As noted you
underestimate the brains and
ability of others. Like Putin did.
Or Custer.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Every society on earth has always had an
abundance of ways to kill.
Yes, but as we have gotten more civilised, we tend to need less of the more obvious ones that are designed to kill and mostly used to hunt animals or are used in warfare. The argument as to why the USA has so many weapons might appeal to so many other similar nations. Why don't they though?
 
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