Do you own the USA? (Closed/open border debate)

[amorphous_constellation]

Countries are political fictions and ought to be recognized as such.

That's an interesting way to see it, I suppose. No matter how old any country is, it likely started with a kind of power consolidating myth. But besides that, the idea of a planet divided into countries also seems to speak to a practical management question of some kind. No leadership block can stretch its territory beyond a certain point without fragmentation, it seems

 

[an anarchist]

But there is absolutely nothing I can do about it now other than treat others the way I'd like to be treated, which is generally how I behave myself.

For myself, I know if I was in a position where immigrating to America was the only option for me to support myself and family, I would hope to be given the opportunity.

Our predecessors could have done better, but they can't now. We can, however. I believe we can do better by allowing the desperate immigrants of our times to find opportunities in the USA, just as our ancestors were once immigrants to this great land.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So, you are not descended from Native Americans if I understand you correctly.

Do you suppose that colonizers are "Native"?

I don't know your race, but @Kathryn , who is agreeing with you, appears to have descended from the Europe area, given the complexion of skin (if that is her in her profile picture.). So I direct this directly towards her now.

You are not Native American (well, correct me if you descended from Native Americans). Europeans colonized the Native Americans. That does not make you native.

Nope. I'm native to this land so yes, I'm a Native American weither you think so or not. The same applies to anybody and everybody born in this country.

I really don't care whatsoever what you attest to the contrary.

I however I do not claim to be of any of the indigenous nations who were there before my ancestors arrived , which is the difference nor would I ever steal their culture or their ways. I have my own however , and this is the land of my birth making me native to this land as much as others are.

 

[Heyo]

I didn't steal it. I was born here though making it my home.

I didn't steal it either, I was born here too though.

So, everything my parents stole, I own rightfully?

 

[RestlessSoul]

I never claimed to be of any Indigenous Nation, nor would I ever do such a thing.

But I am Native American because I was born on this land.

So that would be true of the sons and daughters of all immigrants?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So that would be true of the sons and daughters of all immigrants?

Yes. That's why anchor babies are so popular with illegals.

 

[Kathryn]

So, everything my parents stole, I own rightfully?

My family has been here since the 1640s.

 

[Kathryn]

For myself, I know if I was in a position where immigrating to America was the only option for me to support myself and family, I would hope to be given the opportunity.

Our predecessors could have done better, but they can't now. We can, however. I believe we can do better by allowing the desperate immigrants of our times to find opportunities in the USA, just as our ancestors were once immigrants to this great land.

I just want a level playing field. Like with other countries.

 

[Heyo]

My family has been here since the 1640s.

So, then where is the cut-off? When does something stolen become rightfully owned?

 

[Kathryn]

So, then where is the cut-off? When does something stolen become rightfully owned?

I don't know, you tell me. Think hard before you answer.

 

[Heyo]

I don't know, you tell me.

I'm not the one who's proposing the idea that time makes theft legitimate, you are.

Think hard before you answer.

I suggest you follow your advice.

 

[Watchmen]

Nope. I'm native to this land so yes, I'm a Native American weither you think so or not. The same applies to anybody and everybody born in this country.

I really don't care whatsoever what you attest to the contrary.

I however I do not claim to be of any of the indigenous nations who were there before my ancestors arrived , which is the difference nor would I ever steal their culture or their ways. I have my own however , and this is the land of my birth making me native to this land as much as others are.

Since you ignored my post, I’ll say it again: You’re not a Native American; you’re a native American.

 

[Watchmen]

So, then where is the cut-off? When does something stolen become rightfully owned?

When those in powers say so. That’s the practical reality. And I’m not saying it’s right, but borders and occupants of land change all the time.

 

[Kathryn]

I'm not the one who's proposing the idea that time makes theft legitimate, you are.

How would we give back land that was taken 400 years ago? To who? What tribes?

 

[an anarchist]

I just want a level playing field. Like with other countries.

I would like your perspective on what a "level playing field" is in regards to immigration.

Are you saying that most countries don't have open borders so the USA shouldn't either?

 

[Kathryn]

I would like your perspective on what a "level playing field" is in regards to immigration.

Are you saying that most countries don't have open borders so the USA shouldn't either?

Yes. We need to know who is in our country.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes. We need to know who is in our country.

Can you give any link to a government site that explains that you have open borders?

 

[Kathryn]

Can you give any link to a government site that explains that you have open borders?

No, can you?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No, can you?

So you do control who gets legal entry into the USA.

 

[Kathryn]

So you do control who gets legal entry into the USA.

I don't know - I don't control anything.