Do You Think Muslims Are Violent?

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I don't think "Muslims are" anything. There are like two billion of them, it would be ridiculous to generalize about that many people.

I think just like any other faith tradition, there are Muslim individuals who are more violent and extreme, and Muslim individuals who are pacifist and nonviolent, and individuals everywhere on the spectrum in between. There are some Muslim communities and schools of thought that seem to be more radical and fundamentalist and seem more tolerant of violence or encouraging of violence, and some Muslim communities and schools of thought that seem to be moderate and thoughtful, and seem less tolerant of violence and not encouraging of violence.

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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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[Woodrow LI]

What's an "Islamic Nation" ?

A Nation in which 50% or more of the Citizens are Muslim. I probably should have said Muslim Majority Nation.

Nearly 3/4 of the World's Muslims live in 6 Countries Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, India and China. They are minorities in India and China

 

[icehorse]

I think the following claims are very objective and easy to defend.

1 - The OIC represents much of the Muslim world, and the OIC is relentless in introducing blasphemy resolutions into the UN. In fact they started to have a small degree of success with UN 16/18.
2 - Hundreds of millions of Muslims agree that blasphemy is a crime, ideas about punishments vary.
3 - Hundreds of millions of Muslims agree that apostasy from Islam is a crime, although there is disagreement as to what the punishment should be.
4 - Perhaps a hundred million Muslims agree that terrorism in the name of Islam is sometimes called for.
5 - These beliefs span many cultures.

== These claims are a bit more subjective, but still feel easy to defend:

6 - These beliefs are widespread and they ALL negatively impact on modern ideas of basic human rights.
7 - These beliefs often go hand in hand with violent outcomes - mostly Muslims being violent towards other Muslims.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So, on my math quiz thingy, I totally forgot how to do this one procedure on this computer program we are supposed to be using. I have it all worked out by hand, and since it's very unlikely I'll ever use this program again, doing it by hand should be good enough.

 

[Woodrow LI]

I think the following claims are very objective and easy to defend.

1 - The OIC represents much of the Muslim world, and the OIC is relentless in introducing blasphemy resolutions into the UN. In fact they started to have a small degree of success with UN 16/18.
2 - Hundreds of millions of Muslims agree that blasphemy is a crime, ideas about punishments vary.
3 - Hundreds of millions of Muslims agree that apostasy from Islam is a crime, although there is disagreement as to what the punishment should be.
4 - Perhaps a hundred million Muslims agree that terrorism in the name of Islam is sometimes called for.
5 - These beliefs span many cultures.

== These claims are a bit more subjective, but still feel easy to defend:

6 - These beliefs are widespread and they ALL negatively impact on modern ideas of basic human rights.
7 - These beliefs often go hand in hand with violent outcomes - mostly Muslims being violent towards other Muslims.

1. Probably all of the Muslim nations and a few non-Muslim Nations

2. Is true I believe virtually all of us believe it is a very serious sin for Muslims to commit. We are pretty much divided over if it is a sin for non-Muslim and if it calls for an earthly punishment

3. Agree, but a large percentage do not seem to believe an earthly punishment is permitted unless the act of apostasy results in treason against the government.

4, I disagree. Aggression is prohibited. the only time force is allowed is for defense and then rules limit the extent. Terrorism is always forbidden as the harming of non-combatants is forbidden

5. Yes those beliefs span many cultures and are not unique to Muslims.

6. I disagree. Using Indonesia for example. It contains nearly 25% of the world's Muslims and is currently one of the fastest developing Nations. As for Human rights The predominatly Muslim Nations sort of come in the Middle, Not the best, but not the worse either. Interesting to notice the UAE ranks higher than the US See HERE


7. The violent outcomes tend to be in one part of the world and I believe it is more of an Arab vs Iranian issue rather than Religious. The Iranians and Arabs have a very long history of not playing well together.

 

[icehorse]

Well you can't really disagree with 4 and 6 - because that's just data. If you look at the poll linked to earlier you will see that SE Asia is still pretty Sharia-friendly.

As far as #7 goes, you understand that you're discussing a Sunni - Shia conflict, right? And how about all the horrible stuff that's happening in Africa?

 

[Woodrow LI]

Well you can't really disagree with 4 and 6 - because that's just data. If you look at the poll linked to earlier you will see that SE Asia is still pretty Sharia-friendly.

As far as #7 goes, you understand that you're discussing a Sunni - Shia conflict, right? And how about all the horrible stuff that's happening in Africa?

and in the mideast virtually all Iranians are Shi'ite. In Pakistan the Shi'ite are very much pro-Iranian and would desire to see Pakistan once again be an Iranian State. Nearly the entire Shi'ite population lives in 4 Nations Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and India. The next 3 largest concentrations of Shi'ites are Dearborn Michigan, USA , Denmark and Morocco it should be noted in those locations there is no conflict between Shi'ite and Sunni. Also in those locations the Shi'ite are not Iranian nor have ties with Iran.

 

[icehorse]

Hi Woodrow,

I'd like to hear in your own words why Sunni and Shia hate each other so much?

 

[Woodrow LI]

Hi Woodrow,

I'd like to hear in your own words why Sunni and Shia hate each other so much?

In my own words I have not personally seen any Hatred between them except in the Mideast and Pakistan. But outside of there Shi'ite are a rarity. I have seen a small number of Shi'ite in Morocco and there was no friction or animosity. There are a few in Texas I know of one Shi'ite Mosque in Austin and one in Dallas, but have not seen any friction between Shi'ite and Sunni in either city. The shi'ite and Sunni in Dearborn Michigan seem to get along with each other.

As a Sunni I do dislike the Shi'te following of an Ayatollah. the Shi'ite do seem to believe the Ayatollah is the Supreme ruler of all Muslims and his fatwas are divine commands directly from Allah(saws). Sunni believe Fatwas are opinions, not commands.

There is no outright prohibition against a Sunni praying behind a Shi'ite Imam. A fatwas (opinion) I found regarding this:

Fataawa (Ruling) of Shaykh Ibn Baaz (vol. 2, p. 396) “It is not permissible to pray behind any of the mushrikeen, including those who seek the help of anyone other than Allaah and seek support from him, because seeking help through anyone other then Allaah, such as the dead, idols, the jinn, etc. is shirk, the association of others with Allaah, glorified be He.” And he said: one should not pray behind any imaam who is known to exaggerate concerning the Ahl al-Bayt (members of the Prophet’s household). If no such thing is known about him or any other Muslim, then it is OK to pray behind them.

Islam Q&A (islamqa . com)

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Edited for Elaboration: The above is a fatwa, or a ruling, given by a scholar of Islam. Some of the Shia do things that are not permissible, things that are acts of kufr (disbelief) such as

1) Calling upon Ali, Hussein and Fatima along with Allah 2) Believing that the Angel Gabriel made a mistake when he brought down the revelation to Muhammad (Peace be upon him) - [they believe the revelation should have been given to Ali] 3) They curse the companions of the Prophet

These are only a few things that some of the Shia are known to do.

So in the above fatwa, the scholar of Islam is saying that "one should not pray behind any imaam who is known to exaggerate concerning the Ahl al-Bayt (members of the Prophet’s household). If no such thing is known about him or any other Muslim, then it is OK to pray behind them."

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What I have found in the Mideast and Pakistan is extreme animosity between Iranians (Which are Aryans) and Arabs (Which are Semitic). Nearly all Shi'ite are Iranian and all of the Ayatollahs are Iranian. I see the Sunni/Shi'ite conflict as being one of Aryan versus Semitic, not a religious issue.

Trivia: My oldest Daughter is Shi'ite living in a predominately Sunni area and she has not experienced any hatred. But she is not Iranian.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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[Maldini]

What a stupid question. There are 1.5 billion Muslims. How the hell anyone could know if they are all violent or not?

Some of them are, some of them not. You can find any type of human beings among Muslims.

There are sexy Muslims. There are funny Muslims. There are alcoholic Muslims. There are peace loving Muslims. There are violent Muslims.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

In my own words I have not personally seen any Hatred between them except in the Mideast and Pakistan. But outside of there Shi'ite are a rarity. I have seen a small number of Shi'ite in Morocco and there was no friction or animosity. There are a few in Texas I know of one Shi'ite Mosque in Austin and one in Dallas, but have not seen any friction between Shi'ite and Sunni in either city. The shi'ite and Sunni in Dearborn Michigan seem to get along with each other.

As a Sunni I do dislike the Shi'te following of an Ayatollah. the Shi'ite do seem to believe the Ayatollah is the Supreme ruler of all Muslims and his fatwas are divine commands directly from Allah(saws). Sunni believe Fatwas are opinions, not commands.

There is no outright prohibition against a Sunni praying behind a Shi'ite Imam. A fatwas (opinion) I found regarding this:



SOURCE

What I have found in the Mideast and Pakistan is extreme animosity between Iranians (Which are Aryans) and Arabs (Which are Semitic). Nearly all Shi'ite are Iranian and all of the Ayatollahs are Iranian. I see the Sunni/Shi'ite conflict as being one of Aryan versus Semitic, not a religious issue.

Trivia: My oldest Daughter is Shi'ite living in a predominately Sunni area and she has not experienced any hatred. But she is not Iranian.

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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

What a stupid question. There are 1.5 billion Muslims. How the hell anyone could know if they are all violent or not?

Some of them are, some of them not. You can find any type of human beings among Muslims.

There are sexy Muslims. There are funny Muslims. There are alcoholic Muslims. There are peace loving Muslims. There are violent Muslims.

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The man who bred and feeds from the teachings of Islam, it carries the seeds of this ideology of childhood
When you find these good ideas grow
This will become the human struggle for God
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It's made from plants of terrorism

 

[Maldini]

Yes it's true
But static thought
Islamic thoughtistheterrorism
The man who bred and feeds from the teachings of Islam, it carries the seeds of this ideology of childhood
When you find these good ideas grow
This will become the human struggle for God
Permissionprobleminthe Islamicideology
It's made from plants of terrorism

Yeah but Most Muslims don't know this.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Yeah but Most Muslims don't know this.

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[jonathan180iq]

Forgive me for the intrusion, but is that Mohammed by any chance a reference to Prophet Muhammad, or just to refer to a random Muslim?

Whichever is the most offensive

 

[Smart_Guy]

Whichever is the most offensive

You surely didn't post it without knowing which it is.

But anyways, if you don't wanna say it, it's okay.

 

[jonathan180iq]

You surely didn't post it without knowing which it is.

But anyways, if you don't wanna say it, it's okay.

Of course I know which is which - if it doesn't bother you, then it wasn't meant for you.