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Does believing, thinking or feeling something is true actually make it true?

Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Ignatius A said:
I have no idea how they should feel about themselves. If they are men and you are a man should you or do you feel the same as they do?

Keep dodging the anorexia thing.
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You are dodging everything I ask -- simply by saying you have no idea. But it's a thought experiment, remember? You say "I feel what I feel. I don't know if that's what a man feels like but I am a man and that's a fact not based of my feelings." But I asked you a follow-up question, and you have avoided answering that -- a mad scientist transplants your brain to a female body; what happens to your "feelings?"

And I'm not dodging the anorexia thing -- I was trying not to have to point out that your question was really not of the most intelligent kind. If you think that any medical professional (or any decent person, like me) would recommend a course of action that would inevitably lead to harm and/or death, then I'm sorry, you really aren't worth conversing with.

The one thing I am beginning to see with nearly everybody on your side of this argument is that the quality of empathy is almost missing, or very weak. Nobody can fully put themselves into another person's shoes -- but with a little good will, they can try, and they can learn from the effort.
 
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Ignatius A

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Evangelicalhumanist said:
You are dodging everything I ask -- simply by saying you have no idea. But it's a thought experiment, remember? You say "I feel what I feel. I don't know if that's what a man feels like but I am a man and that's a fact not based of my feelings." But I asked you a follow-up question, and you have avoided answering that -- a mad scientist transplants your brain to a female body; what happens to your "feelings?"

And I'm not dodging the anorexia thing -- I was trying not to have to point out that your question was really not of the most intelligent kind. If you think that any medical professional (or any decent person, like me) would recommend a course of action that would inevitably lead to harm and/or death, then I'm sorry, you really aren't worth conversing with.

The one thing I am beginning to see with nearly everybody on your side of this argument is that the quality of empathy is almost missing, or very weak. Nobody can fully put themselves into another person's shoes -- but with a little good will, they can try, and they can learn from the effort.
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Ah yes there it is. It eventually rises to the surface. The last vestige of a coherent argument, "You're mean".
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Ignatius A said:
Sure I can. I can "see" you're struggling to connect words to abstract ideas.
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verb as see
1.
perceive with the eyes; discern visually.
"in the distance she could see the blue sea"
2.
discern or deduce after reflection or from information; understand.
"I can't see any other way to treat it"

The first one is concrete, the second one is abstract.

Gender is not concrete it is an abstract, where as at least one version of sex is a concrete one.
 
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Ignatius A

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Evangelicalhumanist said:
Darn it, are you really that thick? His chromosomes define his sex -- as a biological fact. But gender is NOT BIOLOGY. It is social. Chromosomes don't do social.
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Yes they define his sex and gender is correlated to sex. The roles historically associated with gender were socially constructed yes. The problem is that fact has been extended to absurd extremes. The argument now is because the roles of gender were socially constructed people can be whatever gender they "feel" like. Its just not so.
 
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Ignatius A

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mikkel_the_dane said:
verb as see
1.
perceive with the eyes; discern visually.
"in the distance she could see the blue sea"
2.
discern or deduce after reflection or from information; understand.
"I can't see any other way to treat it"

The first one is concrete, the second one is abstract.

Gender is not concrete it is an abstract, where as at least one version of sex is a concrete one.
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Incorrect.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Ignatius A said:
Yes they define his sex and gender is correlated to sex. The roles historically associated with gender were socially constructed yes. The problem is that fact has been extended to absurd extremes. The argument now is because the roles of gender were socially constructed people can be whatever gender they "feel" like. Its just not so.
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Yes, it is a bit more complicated than that.
 
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