Arthur Brain
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So stop banging on about the thug, tyrant and despot being "provoked" by NATO then.
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Elon Musk personally thwarted a Ukrainian attack and saved the Russian Navy
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The perception that the US is a threat to world peace is far from uncommon, especially in the Global South, and I do agree with it based on historical and geopolitical precedents set by the US over the last several decades. Two examples demonstrating that this view is quite common:
US seen as bigger threat to democracy than Russia or China, global poll finds
Belief in importance of democracy high in 53 sampled countries but inequality and big tech companies seen as biggest threats
Globally, more people see U.S. power and influence as a major threat
Across 30 nations, a median of 38% now say U.S. power and influence poses a major threat to their country, up 13 percentage points from 2013.
www.pewresearch.org
That said, I see the US' support for Ukraine as a significantly positive thing, and I agree with helping Ukraine fend off Russia's imperialist, hostile invasion. What NATO is doing seems to me the best approach because it helps Ukraine while avoiding escalation into a third world war via direct confrontation with Russia.
lukethethird
unknown member
Why, it's no excuse for Putin and really asinine to suggest that it is? Imagine if you will, "but your honour, I killed everyone because I was provoked." Do you think that is an excuse? Really? Why do you suggest that being provoked is an excuse to invade? I certainly don't think it is. Why do you?
Considering how stubborn Ukraine is...
helping Russia is an act of heroism. I guess.
Being "stubborn" in defending one's country from a hostile invasion is perfectly reasonable and also admirable. Just because some don't like doesn't mean that it is "heroic" to help an imperialist invader violate another country's sovereignty, kill tens of thousands of its civilians, and commit war crimes.
Arthur Brain
Member
You're the one who insists that Putin was "provoked" so go look in a mirror. I'm making no excuses for him whatsoever cos there aren't any and your arguments for provocation are sorely lacking as it is.
Arthur Brain
Member
The US is a superpower for sure and has a checkered past to say the least, like the UK. It's hardly a threat to world peace and isn't threatening nukes or a third world war or the like. Those threats emanate from totalitarian states and thankfully we don't live in one.The perception that the US is a threat to world peace is far from uncommon, especially in the Global South, and I do agree with it based on historical and geopolitical precedents set by the US over the last several decades. Two examples demonstrating that this view is quite common:
US seen as bigger threat to democracy than Russia or China, global poll finds
Belief in importance of democracy high in 53 sampled countries but inequality and big tech companies seen as biggest threatswww.theguardian.com
Globally, more people see U.S. power and influence as a major threat
Across 30 nations, a median of 38% now say U.S. power and influence poses a major threat to their country, up 13 percentage points from 2013.
That said, I see the US' support for Ukraine as a significantly positive thing, and I agree with helping Ukraine fend off Russia's imperialist, hostile invasion. What NATO is doing seems to me the best approach because it helps Ukraine while avoiding escalation into a third world war via direct confrontation with Russia.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Soeak for yourself. I don't agree. At all. It's nkt the best thing for world peace and stability, but it's far from the greatest threat.
lukethethird
unknown member
Who is saying it's an excuse besides you and perhaps some other cheerleaders? It's not an excuse and it blows me away that you can't help yourself but suggest that it is, and if you deny and don't understand how Nato is a threat than sure, whatever you say.
I think it's entirely possible for a state to be a threat to world peace or the global order without being totalitarian, although I think that at this time, Russia poses a greater threat due to its ongoing invasion (while the US is now not actively involved with American forces in any direct war against another country) and especially due to Putin's threats of using nukes. China is also aiding him and exacerbating this risk by enabling him to continue the war through geopolitical and economic support.
lukethethird
unknown member
See Debater Slayers post #82
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It doesn't agree with you either.
lukethethird
unknown member
The poll suggests you are of a minority opinion.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You clearly didn't read them.
US seen as bigger threat to democracy than Russia or China, global poll finds
Belief in importance of democracy high in 53 sampled countries but inequality and big tech companies seen as biggest threats
Globally, more people see U.S. power and influence as a major threat
Across 30 nations, a median of 38% now say U.S. power and influence poses a major threat to their country, up 13 percentage points from 2013.
www.pewresearch.org
Hostile invasion, kinda like Americans invading Iraq on the basis of a lie.
‘He lied’: Iraqis blame Colin Powell for role in invasion on Iraq
Powell’s 2003 UN testimony was key in events Iraqis say led to heavy costs for them – which can still be felt today.
Hostile invasion, kinda like Americans invading Iraq on the basis of a lie.
‘He lied’: Iraqis blame Colin Powell for role in invasion on Iraq
Powell’s 2003 UN testimony was key in events Iraqis say led to heavy costs for them – which can still be felt today.www.aljazeera.com
What does this have to do with Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Does the US' unjustified war of aggression somehow excuse Russia's?
Well...it was the entire NATO in on it...so, all European countries were somehow involved...
No...I would never condone Putin's decision. He should have never done that.
But NATO's behavior must have led Putin to think: if the West did it, so can I.
This is factually incorrect. For example:
France and Germany unite against Iraq war
Germany and France are to coordinate their opposition to war in Iraq, French president Jacques Chirac said today, as the two countries reaffirmed their 40-year "treaty of friendship".
Yet you said this:
Considering how stubborn Ukraine is...
helping Russia is an act of heroism. I guess.
If you don't condone Putin's position, why would you describe helping Russia as an "act of heroism"?
This is your conclusion, not something for which we have evidence, since we couldn't possibly read Putin's mind. He has blamed the West for his aggression, to be sure, but I see no reason to believe he's not merely doing so to deflect and generate propaganda in favor of his actions.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Once again, you can't answer a simple question without tying your superiority complex to it.
I said it was ALLEGED. I'm asking for your opinion of his ALLEGED actions.
lukethethird
unknown member
So far it's he said she said but no doubt you have already made your assumptions. Surprise, surprise.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Literally repeating yourself verbatim without even reading what you're responding to.
I've just asked a simple question. IF it is true, what Musk is alleged to have done, I assume you'd be against it. Correct?