FGM in Australia and the US: nothing to do with Islam?

[ADigitalArtist]

How many Christians in the world think stoning non-virgin brides is the correct action to take?

Every single one that states it was the correct thing to do for it's time. They don't believe Leviticao instructions were flawed, they just don't believe it applies to modern Christians.

 

[Rival]

Theistic religions are inherently harmful.
An atheistic governance is a superior one.
Theists are inherently less logical, less free or less rational.
Atheists and anti-theists are less vulnerable to antisocial behaviors or attitudes.
I could go on.

Are you kidding me?

You may believe this, but you know what Rule 8 says.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I have been looking. I see many individuals. I see an official organization in Australia. I see international groups. I haven't yet found such an organization in the US.

Do consider, with MGM, here in America many people see it as "just something they do" and blindly follow it as tradition, and many people believe tons of myths about it, such as circumcision being more hygienic and less likely to spread STIs.
Thank people like Dr. Kellogg, inventor of Corn Flakes (which was invented to keep boys from masturbating). It's one of the legit cultural flaws in America thus must change.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I'm not ignoring anything. You claimed that Jews and Christians etc. were basically no better, so I gave examples of things that, in my opinion, makes Islam much, much worse.

We're talking about things that are happening today, not 3,000 years ago.

Please quote where I said that? I pointed out that sone christiand and Jews practice FGM and most FGM is not done by Muslims as pointed out elsewhere.
Christians and Jews had a history that was just as bad. The correct approach wasn't to try and remove their religion, or them, from the equation.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Are you kidding me?

You may believe this, but you know what Rule 8 says.

I don't believe this. @icehorse asked me what dogmatic maxims I've seen in anti-theists. :/

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Atheists and anti-theists are less vulnerable to antisocial behaviors or attitudes.

I agree that an atheist/secular government is far, far superior to a theocracy, as for this claim I am unaware of any studies that have suggested such a tendency.
Speaking for myself, I'm generally liked and highly thought of by others, but I am far, far, far from being a pro-social saint.
(*edited* Just saw your post saying you were responding to Icehorse)

 

[Rival]

Please quote where I said that? I pointed out that sone christiand and Jews practice FGM and most FGM is not done by Muslims as pointed out elsewhere.
Christians and Jews had a history that was just as bad. The correct approach wasn't to try and remove their religion, or them, from the equation.

So do a substantial number of Jews, Christians and atheists.

About misogyny in general.

 

[Rival]

Every single one that states it was the correct thing to do for it's time. They don't believe Leviticao instructions were flawed, they just don't believe it applies to modern Christians.

This video is good for learning about how Jews have seen and do see the instructions given in Torah. It's quite long but I recommend you watch it at your leisure. Any court that executed one person in 7 years was considered a bloody court.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

About misogyny in general.

So I said that a substantial number of Christians, Jews and atheists have a problem with misogyny. And?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

This video is good for learning about how Jews have seen and do see the instructions given in Torah. It's quite long but I recommend you watch it at your leisure. Any court that executed one person in 7 years was considered a bloody court.

I'm still at work so I still can't view videos. But I will later.
Does it condemn stoning adulterers or gays no matter how long they took to deliberate? Because that's all that would be acceptable to me.

 

[Rival]

So I said that a substantial number of Christians, Jews and atheists have a problem with misogyny. And?

And I'm presenting evidence that Islam's problems with such are far worse and ought to be concentrated on because Christian and Jewish misogyny isn't hurting women anywhere near as badly.

 

[icehorse]

Theistic religions are inherently harmful.
An atheistic governance is a superior one.
Theists are inherently less logical, less free or less rational.
Atheists and anti-theists are less vulnerable to antisocial behaviors or attitudes.
I could go on.

Those claims are not dogmatic, they are falsifiable.

 

[icehorse]

"FGM (female genital mutilation), is a "cultural thing", and has nothing to do with Islam. "

FGM is not mentioned in Quran. It has no origin in Quran, it is a cultural thing in Africa.
Regards

It's in the Hadith several times - watch the video that Rival pointed to early in this thread.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Those claims are not dogmatic, they are falsifiable.

A dogmatic claim can be falsifiable to someone else. The dogmatic person need only believe it's incontrovertible. I.e. the global flood.

 

[icehorse]

Continuing to ignore the voices who speak out against those things within Islam in the effort to judge the whole of Islam won't help matters.
Neither does ignoring that both Jewish and Christian theologians defend most of these things as they happened in tgeir own holy texts.

Point me to a codified, reformed, modernized Islam and I will agree with you.

 

[icehorse]

A dogmatic claim can be falsifiable to someone else. The dogmatic person need only believe it's incontrovertible. I.e. the global flood.

Purveyors of dogma intend for their flavor to be incontrovertible. The anti-theists I'm aware of will all change their opinions, given good evidence. You are conflating controversial truth claims with dogma, they are two very separate ideas.

 

[Rival]

I'm still at work so I still can't view videos. But I will later.
Does it condemn stoning adulterers or gays no matter how long they took to deliberate? Because that's all that would be acceptable to me.

Basically the Jewish courts hated putting anyone to death because the basic principle is that G-d does not delight in the death of anyone, and rather than putting the wicked to death would prefer to see them repent. Following from this, the courts made it very difficult to convict anyone of a capital offence by asking ridiculously detailed questions. So basically the idea is that while, say, committing adultery is a crime worthy of death, mercy and a chance to repent is the better way.

Ezekiel 18:32:
For I take no pleasure in anyone's death." This is the declaration of the L-rd G-D. "So repent and live!"

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And I'm presenting evidence that Islam's problems with such are far worse and ought to be concentrated on because Christian and Jewish misogyny isn't hurting women anywhere near as badly.

And I pointed out that the problem isn't witg Islam, showing evidence both of the practice outside Islam and condemnation within, and called the accusation that this is inherently a problem with Islam is reductionist.

 

[icehorse]

Do consider, with MGM, here in America many people see it as "just something they do" and blindly follow it as tradition, and many people believe tons of myths about it, such as circumcision being more hygienic and less likely to spread STIs.
Thank people like Dr. Kellogg, inventor of Corn Flakes (which was invented to keep boys from masturbating). It's one of the legit cultural flaws in America thus must change.

MGM is an important topic. But it is in no way equivalent to FGM.

 

[icehorse]

And I pointed out that the problem isn't witg Islam, showing evidence both of the practice outside Islam and condemnation within, and called the accusation that this is inherently a problem with Islam is reductionist.

It is predominantly an issue with Islam.