Ebionite
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Anything that refutes your #181.
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For Muslims: Is Muhammad the last Prophet from God?
- Thread starter Truthseeker
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Well I’m patient but I’m still waiting for that “anything”.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
This goes to show just how damaging religion can be. Everyone has to be right. It's sad really.
Just because I am a Baha'i that does not mean I like religion. I do not like religion because it is so divisive but that's not the only reason.
The Baha'i mantra that if only everyone would become Baha'is that would fix everything is a pipe dream and it is just as arrogant as the rest.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
It would be a waste of time showing you.
Is that a way of saying you don’t have anything?,it’s ok,just change proof to faith and we can agree.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
No, religionists are too prideful to accept truth that contradicts their faith.
I agree in that religionists are deaf to reasoning outside of their box,truth,now there’s a thing,truth and religion were never going to be together on the same page.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
Specific forms of religion could be on the same page as the truth, since there's no reason why people must be in error.
Yes,specific forms of religion can be on the same page like Muslims and Ahmiddiyas ,they both believe the Quran to be the true word of their god,they definitely do not agree on who a prophet is so between those two there must be a error.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
Yes, an inconsistency indicates that there in an error somewhere. The inconsistency here is the interpretation of the title of "seal of the prophets". The Ahmadiyyas hold to the minority view that seal means validation, and the majority view is that seal means finality. The minority view is supported by Bukhari (the cave) and the book of Isaiah.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
The existence of the creator is not conditional on the existence of the created.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
In religious matters there is no majority or minority, the truth is radiant and is to be understood with clarity, right?
Regards
Just skimming through this thread I find myself quite amused by how it's impossible to square a few claims made by Muslims and by the Quran:
1 - The Quran is perfect and timeless
2 - The Quran declares itself to be easy to understand
I'd say another couple of hundred posts ought to clear up any confusion
1 - The Quran is perfect and timeless
2 - The Quran declares itself to be easy to understand
I'd say another couple of hundred posts ought to clear up any confusion
Just skimming through this thread I find myself quite amused by how it's impossible to square a few claims made by Muslims and by the Quran:
1 - The Quran is perfect and timeless
2 - The Quran declares itself to be easy to understand
I'd say another couple of hundred posts ought to clear up any confusion
It's easy but on condition we fear God. If we fear God, it's very clear. Otherwise, harden hearts are playful regarding Quran. That, and the sorcery of Iblis controls hard hearts, so without fighting off his control and sorcery, an unclear path towards understanding Quran will be taken by people.
So Allah's much touted "mercy" only applies if we're fearful?
I'd need to see some really strong evidence before accepting that premise.
إِنَّمَا تُنْذِرُ مَنِ اتَّبَعَ الذِّكْرَ وَخَشِيَ الرَّحْمَٰنَ بِالْغَيْبِ ۖ فَبَشِّرْهُ بِمَغْفِرَةٍ وَأَجْرٍ كَرِيمٍ | You can only warn someone who follows the Reminder and fears the All-beneficent in secret; so give him the good news of forgiveness and a noble reward. | Yaseen : 11
I get that the Quran says a lot of stuff like that. I mean evidence separate from the Quran, because people have known for thousands of years before the Quran was written that being self-referencial is no proof at all.
You have to start with a base case. Imagine a story where a villain is incredibly evil. Do you think if God existed in the paradigm, he should let the villain get away with his crimes?
Then think of people such as Saddam.
Then question comes, what is the line between when God should punish or forgive. When people do not fear God, it means they see themselves unaccounted or others unaccounted for their deeds.
If deeds are judged and made part of us every day, then, we should fear consequences. The next world should be feared, but even if no next world in terms of final destination consequence (hell and heaven), how we can degrade in God's vision should make us fear God.
Fearing God means we should fear becoming evil, that if we do become evil, we believe we will be punished.
Of course, there is souls who have mixed good and evil, and are in a battle between the two, it's here where constantly turning to God and asking his forgiveness and praying is incredibly important.
If you are an atheist, you should still fear God, and say if he exists, what is the pathway of goodness I have to follow to see him and believe in him based on signs and proofs? How will I assure God would guide me if he exists?
As far as a book that can possibly be from God, if we go to it wanting to impose our views, why should God guide us? If we don't reflect over what it's clear from it and build on that, we should ask ourselves, do we really care for it's guidance? We should fear God how we recite and read his book, how we reflect over it. Even as an atheist, you should not go playful towards a book possibly from God, but fear God with regards to it, so that you would perceive the clear insights and proofs, and not make up a mess in your head or be heedless to it's clear insights.
Ebionite
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The map is not the terrain. The map is the view, the terrain is the truth.