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For Muslims: Is Muhammad the last Prophet from God?

Link

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Kindly quote such Hadithes.

I posted this before:


القمّي عن الصادق عليه السلام أنه قرأ عليه كنتم خير أمة فقال خير أمة يقتلون أمير المؤمنين والحسن والحسين ابني علي صلوات الله وسلامه عليهم فقال القارئ جعلت فداك كيف نزلت فقال نزلت كنتم خير أئمة أُخرجت للناس ألا ترى مدح الله لهم تأمرون بالمعروف وتنهون عن المنكر وتؤمنون بالله.

والعياشي عنه عليه السلام قال في قراءة عليّ كنتم خير أئمة أُخرجت للناس قال هم آل محمد.

وعنه عليه السلام إنما نزلت هذه الآية على محمد صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلم فيه وفي الأوصياء خاصة فقال انتم خير أئمة أخرجت للناس تأمرون بالمعروف وتنهون عن المنكر هكذا والله نزل بها جبرئيل وما عنى بها إلا محمداً صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلم وأوصيائه عليهم السلام.

وعنه عليه السلام في هذه الآية قال يعني الأمة التي وجبت لها دعوة إبراهيم فهم الأمة التي بعث الله فيها ومنها وإليها وهم الأمة الوسطى وهم خير أمة أخرجت للناس.


Al-Qummi said on the authority of Al-Sadiq, peace be upon him, that he recited to him, “You are the best umma.” He said, “The best umma is killing the Commander of the Faithful, Al-Hasan, and Al-Hussein, my sons, Ali, may God’s prayers and peace be upon them.” The narrator said, “May I be made your ransom. How was it revealed?” He said, “You are the best imams ever brought out to the people.” He said, “You are the best imams ever brought forth for the people. Do you not see God’s praise for them? You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and you believe in God.” .



Al-Ayyashi, from him peace be upon him, said in the recitation of Ali, “You were the best imams ever brought out to the people.” He said, “They are the family of Muhammad.”

And on his authority, peace be upon him, this verse was only revealed to Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him and his family and grant him peace, and specifically to his executors/successors. He said, “You are the best imams ever brought forth for the people. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is evil.” Thus, by God, Gabriel revealed it, and he only meant Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him and his family, and his executors/successors, peace be upon them.

And on his authority, peace be upon him, in this verse, he said, meaning the umma to which Abraham’s call was required. They are the umma to which God raised, and from it and towards it. They are the middle/intermediate umma and they are the best umma brought forth for mankind.


The last hadith shows the recitation is about meaning, it's the same word, but Imams are saying it means equivalent to leader here. Also, path and leader can be synonymous, for example:

وَإِنَّهَا لَبِسَبِيلٍ مُقِيمٍ | Indeed it is on a standing road, | Al-Hijr : 76

The word there is "sabeel" (path).

But then we see the word Imam is used interchangeably for sabeel, because a road leads from something towards something, so can be a leader:

فَانْتَقَمْنَا مِنْهُمْ وَإِنَّهُمَا لَبِإِمَامٍ مُبِينٍ | So We took vengeance on them, and indeed the two of them are on an open highway/way. | Al-Hijr : 79

The word for way/road, here is Imam.

So path and leader can be used interchangeably. The Imams (a) are arguing in Surah Auli-Imran, it refers to them as leaders and does not mean nation here.
 

InvestigateTruth

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This is circumstantial evidence since you have not shown the Shia Muslim understanding is wrong about this verse. From what I understand, it refers to the day of judgment.

Yes. Everytime, God sends a Messenger, it is Judgement Day.

Look what Jesus said:


John 9:39​

"Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind."

And here is the Quran:



وَلِكُلِّ أُمَّةٍۢ رَّسُولٌۭ ۖ فَإِذَا جَآءَ رَسُولُهُمْ قُضِىَ بَيْنَهُم بِٱلْقِسْطِ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ ٤٧

"And for every Ummah there is a messenger. After their messenger comes, judgment is passed on them in all fairness, and they are not wronged." 10:47

وَأَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ بِٱلْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًۭا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ وَمُهَيْمِنًا عَلَيْهِ ۖ فَٱحْكُم بَيْنَهُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ ۖ


"We sent to you [Muhammad] the Scripture with the truth, confirming the Scriptures that came before it, and with final authority over them: so judge between them according to what God has sent down....." 5:48


Thus, the verse 39:69, is talking about the future Prophet Messengers who will come to Judge. In the same way, that Muhammad was the Judge. In the same way that Jesus was the judge:

"And the earth shineth with the light of her Lord, and the Book is set up, and the prophets and the witnesses are brought, and it is judged between them with truth, and they are not wronged"

Beside this, notice it says "the earth shall shine with the light of its Lord"

Acording to Hadithes, this is verse is about the Mahdi:

Mufaddal bin Umar has narrated that: I heard Imam Ja’far Sadiq (a.s.) say: “When our Qaim rises, the earth will shine with the light of its Lord. Men will not need a light of the sun and darkness will vanish. In his dominion a man will live long enough to have a thousand male children born to him without a single female. The earth will expose its treasures, so that the people will see them on its surface. Men will search for someone among you to receive their money and to take their alms (Zakat), but they will find no one to accept that from them. The people will not need it, because of what Allah has provided for them out of His beneficence.”
Bihar alanwar, Vol 53


Notice how clearly, this verse is about the Qaim, and Return of Christ (Two Nabis). Who through them a new Guidance comes (to bring light of Guidence to shine the earth), and to bring the new Judgement.

It cannot be any clearer than that.
But all your life, Muslims has been brainwashed by the Mullahs about a literal Resurrection. So, I understand, it is extremely difficult for you to accept.
 

Link

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But all your life, Muslims has been brainwashed by the Mullahs about a literal Resurrection. So, I understand, it is extremely difficult for you to accept.

You don't see a problem in that you are being circular in reasoning here? To show the day of judgment can be your interpretation, you can't just assert it, you should go through the whole Quran explanation of day of judgment and show it does not contradict your interpretation.

Then after that, you can try to show even if it was possible why it's plausible. Then finally if it's plausible, why it is so.

Your Prophet didn't do that, so, maybe you guys can pick up on the mess he started.
 

firedragon

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i say 'bye bye" too. I don't trust you to have a fair discussion. I also think I went wrong in arguing with you for an extended period of time. It doesn't pay to try to win arguments over a long period of time especially. I think probably arguing to you period is a waste of time. I think your short "red herrings" and "Ad hominems" without bothering to say why, in your opinion they are such some of the time at least is not a good response and may be hiding a weakness on your part in not being able to answer what is said. I don't know when in the past you've said something and in my admitted ignorance I don't know you may have been deceiving me. I think my psycholizing you when I don't really know what your motives or what you are feeling on my part is off base. I don't for sure if this is an attempt to deceive, but in saying "bye, bye" there was no defense of yourself on your part seems suspicious, too.

I will not argue with you ever again, but that doesn't mean I'll never talk to you again.
Excellent. Thank you and I wish you well.
 

firedragon

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"We sent to you [Muhammad] the Scripture with the truth, confirming the Scriptures that came before it, and with final authority over them: so judge between them according to what God has sent down....." 5:48


Thus, the verse 39:69, is talking about the future Prophet Messengers who will come to Judge. In the same way, that Muhammad was the Judge. In the same way that Jesus was the judge:
How in the world is that talking about "future prophet"? Mate. Why are you creating it? What are you gonna gain?

This is "bogus".
 

firedragon

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What do you think about this dictionary? I entered the word "ummah" on google and it came back with the answer of it meaning in English "Islam".
That's not a "dictionary". Typing a word on google is "dictionary"? That's the poorest kind of research a human would expect. It's a start for a child, but an adult must do better. At least say "I google this" without saying "What about this dictionary" to a quick google search.

A dictionary would be either Hans Wehr, Al Farahadi, Edward Lane. As example. This is absolutely pathetic.
 

TransmutingSoul

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How in the world is that talking about "future prophet"? Mate. Why are you creating it? What are you gonna gain?

This is "bogus".
From my understanding every people that have scriptures, will have a Judgement.

In the "Day of Allah", we are judged upon our passing via the current Message, when the day of Allah has ceased, and a new Messenger is annointed, then the Judge is the Message given by the new Messenger.

Thus the cycle continues, and all Muslims should expect that will alao have a judgement, no faith is exempt.

It is logical that it is a new Messenger that passes on that Judgement from Allah.

Regards Tony
 

firedragon

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In the "Day of Allah", we are judged upon our passing via the current Message, when the day of Allah has ceased, and a new Messenger is annointed,
How did you derive it from that verse in the Qur'an?

Someone or you made that up mate. I cannot interact with people like that. It's just absurd.

Ciao.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
How did you derive it from that verse in the Qur'an?

Someone or you made that up mate. I cannot interact with people like that. It's just absurd.

Ciao.
The only way I can firedragon, is by using what Baha'u'llah has offered as I read the Quran.

I understand why you do not see anything in that verse, as you do not consider what Baha'u'llah offered when reading the Quran.

It is not that the words change, it is that our relative consciousness changes, it broadens in the light of different concepts. (This is the danger of false prophets)

Also I am seeing that it is not needed to prove anything to anyone that does not want to consider what Baha'u'llah offered. In relation to this, we should live the life asked of us by our Messengers and prove to each other the truth we have found by virtues and deeds in humility of service to each other.

We can live side by side in deeds and virtues.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

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How did you derive it from that verse in the Qur'an?

Someone or you made that up mate. I cannot interact with people like that. It's just absurd.

Ciao.
By the way, I see that verse would support your stance more that what the Baha'i are offering, that verse would need to be seen in a light of other Quran verses for further clarification, as it does close with final clarification.

Regards Tony
 

InvestigateTruth

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What do you think about this dictionary? I entered the word "ummah" on google and it came back with the answer of it meaning in English "Islam". It could be that is too simple, that it could have other meanings, but in that dictionary it looked like firedragon might have steered to words that are similar to Ummah, but is not Ummah in order to deceive. You strike me as having some honesty, what do you think about this? I will ask @InvestigateTruth also, who knows Arabic as a Persian who originally I gather came from Iran.

The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Quran Dictionary

The word Ummah, is a Quranic word. It literally means, the adherents or followers of a particular Messenger.
It has been often translated as People, or Nation.

It does not mean anything else.

Though as @Link said in an example, it might be interpreted as Religion.
There is a difference between what a word literally means and how a word might be interpreted.
If it can be interpreted as "Religion" in the example that @Link showed then in verse 7:34 also can imply "Religion"

"To every Ummah, a period is appointed", which can be understood that
"To evey Religion, a perdiod is appointed"

Thus, for example Religion that was established by Moses, had a Period, and Religion that Jesus established had a Period,..etc.
 

Link

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The word Ummah, is a Quranic word. It literally means, the adherents or followers of a particular Messenger.
It has been often translated as People, or Nation.

It does not mean anything else.

Though as @Link said in an example, it might be interpreted as Religion.
There is a difference between what a word literally means and how a word might be interpreted.
If it can be interpreted as "Religion" in the example that @Link showed then in verse 7:34 also can imply "Religion"

"To every Ummah, a period is appointed", which can be understood that
"To evey Religion, a perdiod is appointed"

Thus, for example Religion that was established by Moses, had a Period, and Religion that Jesus established had a Period,..etc.
You make up things. I don't see why anyone would trust what you say.
 

Link

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@InvestigateTruth has a history of making up stuff about language, interpretations, mistranslating or misinterpreting hadiths, and constantly is corrected and proven to be continuously wrong. Yet he keeps going in just making stuff up. If someone doesn't disprove him, he will take it as evidence that his made up stuff has substance.

And when proven wrong, he continues, none the less as if he has not been.
 

InvestigateTruth

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I posted this before:


القمّي عن الصادق عليه السلام أنه قرأ عليه كنتم خير أمة فقال خير أمة يقتلون أمير المؤمنين والحسن والحسين ابني علي صلوات الله وسلامه عليهم فقال القارئ جعلت فداك كيف نزلت فقال نزلت كنتم خير أئمة أُخرجت للناس ألا ترى مدح الله لهم تأمرون بالمعروف وتنهون عن المنكر وتؤمنون بالله.

والعياشي عنه عليه السلام قال في قراءة عليّ كنتم خير أئمة أُخرجت للناس قال هم آل محمد.

وعنه عليه السلام إنما نزلت هذه الآية على محمد صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلم فيه وفي الأوصياء خاصة فقال انتم خير أئمة أخرجت للناس تأمرون بالمعروف وتنهون عن المنكر هكذا والله نزل بها جبرئيل وما عنى بها إلا محمداً صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلم وأوصيائه عليهم السلام.

وعنه عليه السلام في هذه الآية قال يعني الأمة التي وجبت لها دعوة إبراهيم فهم الأمة التي بعث الله فيها ومنها وإليها وهم الأمة الوسطى وهم خير أمة أخرجت للناس.


Al-Qummi said on the authority of Al-Sadiq, peace be upon him, that he recited to him, “You are the best umma.” He said, “The best umma is killing the Commander of the Faithful, Al-Hasan, and Al-Hussein, my sons, Ali, may God’s prayers and peace be upon them.” The narrator said, “May I be made your ransom. How was it revealed?” He said, “You are the best imams ever brought out to the people.” He said, “You are the best imams ever brought forth for the people. Do you not see God’s praise for them? You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and you believe in God.” .



Al-Ayyashi, from him peace be upon him, said in the recitation of Ali, “You were the best imams ever brought out to the people.” He said, “They are the family of Muhammad.”

And on his authority, peace be upon him, this verse was only revealed to Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him and his family and grant him peace, and specifically to his executors/successors. He said, “You are the best imams ever brought forth for the people. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is evil.” Thus, by God, Gabriel revealed it, and he only meant Muhammad, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him and his family, and his executors/successors, peace be upon them.

And on his authority, peace be upon him, in this verse, he said, meaning the umma to which Abraham’s call was required. They are the umma to which God raised, and from it and towards it. They are the middle/intermediate umma and they are the best umma brought forth for mankind.


The last hadith shows the recitation is about meaning, it's the same word, but Imams are saying it means equivalent to leader here. Also, path and leader can be synonymous, for example:

وَإِنَّهَا لَبِسَبِيلٍ مُقِيمٍ | Indeed it is on a standing road, | Al-Hijr : 76

The word there is "sabeel" (path).

But then we see the word Imam is used interchangeably for sabeel, because a road leads from something towards something, so can be a leader:

فَانْتَقَمْنَا مِنْهُمْ وَإِنَّهُمَا لَبِإِمَامٍ مُبِينٍ | So We took vengeance on them, and indeed the two of them are on an open highway/way. | Al-Hijr : 79

The word for way/road, here is Imam.

So path and leader can be used interchangeably. The Imams (a) are arguing in Surah Auli-Imran, it refers to them as leaders and does not mean nation here.


The Hadith that you quoted, is not talking about the expression that appears in the Quran امة وسطي Middle Ummah.

These Hadithes, is about Muslims being the best Ummah.
I agree this has a Quranic evidence, but, "being the Best Ummah", should be understood with the verse "Every Ummah has an End"

It is like, when Quran says, Allah exalted followers of Jesus until Day of Resurrection. This Day of Resurrection is an allusion to the Revelation of Muhamamd. Likewise, Muslims are the best Ummah until the next Messenger.
At that time, there would be a new Ummah. At that time, the new Ummah, who are those who accepted the new Messenger, are the best Ummah. This is an ongoing cycle of Ummahs, each one is the best, in its own time.
But as regards to Middle Ummah, this has no connection with being the Best Ummah.
 

InvestigateTruth

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@InvestigateTruth has a history of making up stuff about language, interpretations, mistranslating or misinterpreting hadiths, and constantly is corrected and proven to be continuously wrong. Yet he keeps going in just making stuff up. If someone doesn't disprove him, he will take it as evidence that his made up stuff has substance.

And when proven wrong, he continues, none the less as if he has not been.

Did you not say, "Ummah" also means "Religion"?
Maybe I misunderstood. Let me know
 

Link

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Did you not say, "Ummah" also means "Religion"?
Maybe I misunderstood. Let me know

The context is what determines the meaning. In Surah A'araaf it refers to the peoples who's path was destruction at the end. The context before shows that.

Let's see some of these verses leading up to the "term" for every "umma" verse:


وَكَمْ مِنْ قَرْيَةٍ أَهْلَكْنَاهَا فَجَاءَهَا بَأْسُنَا بَيَاتًا أَوْ هُمْ قَائِلُونَ | How many a town We have destroyed! Our punishment came to it at night, or while they were taking a midday nap. | Al-A'raaf : 4

فَمَا كَانَ دَعْوَاهُمْ إِذْ جَاءَهُمْ بَأْسُنَا إِلَّا أَنْ قَالُوا إِنَّا كُنَّا ظَالِمِينَ | Then their cry, when Our punishment overtook them, was only that they said, ‘We have indeed been wrongdoers!’ | Al-A'raaf : 5

وَلِكُلِّ أُمَّةٍ أَجَلٌ ۖ فَإِذَا جَاءَ أَجَلُهُمْ لَا يَسْتَأْخِرُونَ سَاعَةً ۖ وَلَا يَسْتَقْدِمُونَ | There is a [preordained] time for every nation: when their time comes, they shall not defer it by a single hour nor shall they advance it. | Al-A'raaf : 34

يَا بَنِي آدَمَ إِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِنْكُمْ يَقُصُّونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِي ۙ فَمَنِ اتَّقَىٰ وَأَصْلَحَ فَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ | O Children of Adam! If there come to you apostles from among yourselves, recounting to you My signs, then those who are Godwary and righteous will have no fear, nor will they grieve. | Al-A'raaf : 35

لَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَىٰ قَوْمِهِ فَقَالَ يَا قَوْمِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مَا لَكُمْ مِنْ إِلَٰهٍ غَيْرُهُ إِنِّي أَخَافُ عَلَيْكُمْ عَذَابَ يَوْمٍ عَظِيمٍ | Certainly We sent Noah to his people. He said, ‘O my people, worship Allah! You have no other god besides Him. Indeed I fear for you the punishment of a tremendous day.’ | Al-A'raaf : 59

أَوَعَجِبْتُمْ أَنْ جَاءَكُمْ ذِكْرٌ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ عَلَىٰ رَجُلٍ مِنْكُمْ لِيُنْذِرَكُمْ وَلِتَتَّقُوا وَلَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ | Do you consider it odd that a reminder from your Lord should come to you through a man from among yourselves, to warn you so that you may be Godwary and so that you may receive His mercy?’ | Al-A'raaf : 63

فَكَذَّبُوهُ فَأَنْجَيْنَاهُ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ فِي الْفُلْكِ وَأَغْرَقْنَا الَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا بِآيَاتِنَا ۚ إِنَّهُمْ كَانُوا قَوْمًا عَمِينَ | But they denied him. So We delivered him and those who were with him in the ark, and We drowned those who denied Our signs. Indeed, they were a blind lot. | Al-A'raaf : 64

وَإِلَىٰ عَادٍ أَخَاهُمْ هُودًا ۗ قَالَ يَا قَوْمِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مَا لَكُمْ مِنْ إِلَٰهٍ غَيْرُهُ ۚ أَفَلَا تَتَّقُونَ | And to [the people of] ‘Ad [We sent] Hud, their brother. He said, ‘O my people, worship Allah! You have no other god besides Him. Will you not then be wary [of Him]?’ | Al-A'raaf : 65

أَوَعَجِبْتُمْ أَنْ جَاءَكُمْ ذِكْرٌ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ عَلَىٰ رَجُلٍ مِنْكُمْ لِيُنْذِرَكُمْ ۚ وَاذْكُرُوا إِذْ جَعَلَكُمْ خُلَفَاءَ مِنْ بَعْدِ قَوْمِ نُوحٍ وَزَادَكُمْ فِي الْخَلْقِ بَسْطَةً ۖ فَاذْكُرُوا آلَاءَ اللَّهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ | Do you consider it odd that there should come to you a reminder from your Lord through a man from among yourselves, so that he may warn you? Remember when He made you successors after the people of Noah, and increased you vastly in creation. So remember Allah’s bounties so that you may be felicitous.’ | Al-A'raaf : 69

قَالُوا أَجِئْتَنَا لِنَعْبُدَ اللَّهَ وَحْدَهُ وَنَذَرَ مَا كَانَ يَعْبُدُ آبَاؤُنَا ۖ فَأْتِنَا بِمَا تَعِدُنَا إِنْ كُنْتَ مِنَ الصَّادِقِينَ | They said, ‘Have you come to [tell] us that we should worship Allah alone and abandon what our fathers have been worshiping? Then bring us what you threaten us with, should you be truthful.’ | Al-A'raaf : 70

قَالَ قَدْ وَقَعَ عَلَيْكُمْ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ رِجْسٌ وَغَضَبٌ ۖ أَتُجَادِلُونَنِي فِي أَسْمَاءٍ سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنْتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُمْ مَا نَزَّلَ اللَّهُ بِهَا مِنْ سُلْطَانٍ ۚ فَانْتَظِرُوا إِنِّي مَعَكُمْ مِنَ الْمُنْتَظِرِينَ | He said, ‘Punishment and wrath from your Lord has become due against you. Do you dispute with me regarding names, which you have named—you and your fathers—for which Allah has not sent down any authority? So wait! I too am waiting along with you.’ | Al-A'raaf : 71

فَأَنْجَيْنَاهُ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ بِرَحْمَةٍ مِنَّا وَقَطَعْنَا دَابِرَ الَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا بِآيَاتِنَا ۖ وَمَا كَانُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ | Then We delivered him and those who were with him by a mercy from Us, and We rooted out those who denied Our signs and were not faithful. | Al-A'raaf : 72

وَإِلَىٰ ثَمُودَ أَخَاهُمْ صَالِحًا ۗ قَالَ يَا قَوْمِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مَا لَكُمْ مِنْ إِلَٰهٍ غَيْرُهُ ۖ قَدْ جَاءَتْكُمْ بَيِّنَةٌ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ ۖ هَٰذِهِ نَاقَةُ اللَّهِ لَكُمْ آيَةً ۖ فَذَرُوهَا تَأْكُلْ فِي أَرْضِ اللَّهِ ۖ وَلَا تَمَسُّوهَا بِسُوءٍ فَيَأْخُذَكُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ | And to [the people of] Thamud [We sent] Salih, their brother. He said, ‘O my people, worship Allah! You have no other god besides Him. There has certainly come to you a manifest proof from your Lord. This she-camel of Allah is a sign for you. Let her alone to graze [freely] in Allah’s land, and do not cause her any harm, for then you shall be seized by a painful punishment. | Al-A'raaf : 73

فَعَقَرُوا النَّاقَةَ وَعَتَوْا عَنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّهِمْ وَقَالُوا يَا صَالِحُ ائْتِنَا بِمَا تَعِدُنَا إِنْ كُنْتَ مِنَ الْمُرْسَلِينَ | So they hamstrung the She-camel and defied the command of their Lord, and they said, ‘O Salih, bring us what you threaten us with, if you are one of the apostles.’ | Al-A'raaf : 77

فَأَخَذَتْهُمُ الرَّجْفَةُ فَأَصْبَحُوا فِي دَارِهِمْ جَاثِمِينَ | Thereupon the earthquake seized them, and they lay lifeless prostrate in their homes. | Al-A'raaf : 78

فَتَوَلَّىٰ عَنْهُمْ وَقَالَ يَا قَوْمِ لَقَدْ أَبْلَغْتُكُمْ رِسَالَةَ رَبِّي وَنَصَحْتُ لَكُمْ وَلَٰكِنْ لَا تُحِبُّونَ النَّاصِحِينَ | So he abandoned them [to their fate], and said, ‘O my people! Certainly I communicated to you the message of my Lord, and I was your well-wisher, but you did not like well-wishers.’ | Al-A'raaf : 79

وَلُوطًا إِذْ قَالَ لِقَوْمِهِ أَتَأْتُونَ الْفَاحِشَةَ مَا سَبَقَكُمْ بِهَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ مِنَ الْعَالَمِينَ | And Lot, when he said to his people, ‘What! Do you commit an outrage none in the world ever committed before you?! | Al-A'raaf : 80

وَأَمْطَرْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ مَطَرًا ۖ فَانْظُرْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الْمُجْرِمِينَ | Then We poured down upon them a rain [of stones]. So observe how was the fate of the guilty! | Al-A'raaf : 84

وَإِلَىٰ مَدْيَنَ أَخَاهُمْ شُعَيْبًا ۗ قَالَ يَا قَوْمِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مَا لَكُمْ مِنْ إِلَٰهٍ غَيْرُهُ ۖ قَدْ جَاءَتْكُمْ بَيِّنَةٌ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ ۖ فَأَوْفُوا الْكَيْلَ وَالْمِيزَانَ وَلَا تَبْخَسُوا النَّاسَ أَشْيَاءَهُمْ وَلَا تُفْسِدُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ بَعْدَ إِصْلَاحِهَا ۚ ذَٰلِكُمْ خَيْرٌ لَكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ | And to [the people of] Midian [We sent] Shu‘ayb, their brother. He said, ‘O my people, worship Allah! You have no other god besides Him. There has certainly come to you a manifest proof from your Lord. Observe fully the measure and the balance, and do not cheat the people of their goods, and do not cause corruption on the earth after its restoration. That is better for you, if you are faithful. | Al-A'raaf : 85

وَلَا تَقْعُدُوا بِكُلِّ صِرَاطٍ تُوعِدُونَ وَتَصُدُّونَ عَنْ سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ مَنْ آمَنَ بِهِ وَتَبْغُونَهَا عِوَجًا ۚ وَاذْكُرُوا إِذْ كُنْتُمْ قَلِيلًا فَكَثَّرَكُمْ ۖ وَانْظُرُوا كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الْمُفْسِدِينَ | And do not lie in wait on every road to threaten and bar those who have faith in Him from the way of Allah, seeking to make it crooked. Remember when you were few, and He multiplied you, and observe how was the fate of the agents of corruption. | Al-A'raaf : 86

وَإِنْ كَانَ طَائِفَةٌ مِنْكُمْ آمَنُوا بِالَّذِي أُرْسِلْتُ بِهِ وَطَائِفَةٌ لَمْ يُؤْمِنُوا فَاصْبِرُوا حَتَّىٰ يَحْكُمَ اللَّهُ بَيْنَنَا ۚ وَهُوَ خَيْرُ الْحَاكِمِينَ | If a group of you have believed in what I have been sent with, and a group have not believed, be patient until Allah judges between us, and He is the best of judges.’ | Al-A'raaf : 87

قَالَ الْمَلَأُ الَّذِينَ اسْتَكْبَرُوا مِنْ قَوْمِهِ لَنُخْرِجَنَّكَ يَا شُعَيْبُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مَعَكَ مِنْ قَرْيَتِنَا أَوْ لَتَعُودُنَّ فِي مِلَّتِنَا ۚ قَالَ أَوَلَوْ كُنَّا كَارِهِينَ | The elite of his people who were arrogant said, ‘O Shu'ayb, we will surely expel you and the faithful who are with you from our town, or else you shall revert to our creed.’ He said, ‘What! Even if we should be unwilling?! | Al-A'raaf : 88

قَدِ افْتَرَيْنَا عَلَى اللَّهِ كَذِبًا إِنْ عُدْنَا فِي مِلَّتِكُمْ بَعْدَ إِذْ نَجَّانَا اللَّهُ مِنْهَا ۚ وَمَا يَكُونُ لَنَا أَنْ نَعُودَ فِيهَا إِلَّا أَنْ يَشَاءَ اللَّهُ رَبُّنَا ۚ وَسِعَ رَبُّنَا كُلَّ شَيْءٍ عِلْمًا ۚ عَلَى اللَّهِ تَوَكَّلْنَا ۚ رَبَّنَا افْتَحْ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَ قَوْمِنَا بِالْحَقِّ وَأَنْتَ خَيْرُ الْفَاتِحِينَ | We would be fabricating a lie against Allah should we revert to your creed after Allah had delivered us from it. It does not behoove us to return to it, unless Allah, our Lord, should wish so. Our Lord embraces all things in [His] knowledge. In Allah we have put our trust.’ ‘Our Lord! Judge justly between us and our people, and You are the best of judges!’ | Al-A'raaf : 89

وَقَالَ الْمَلَأُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْ قَوْمِهِ لَئِنِ اتَّبَعْتُمْ شُعَيْبًا إِنَّكُمْ إِذًا لَخَاسِرُونَ | The elite of his people who were faithless said, ‘If you follow Shu'ayb, you will indeed be losers.’ | Al-A'raaf : 90

فَأَخَذَتْهُمُ الرَّجْفَةُ فَأَصْبَحُوا فِي دَارِهِمْ جَاثِمِينَ | So the earthquake seized them, and they lay lifeless prostrate in their homes. | Al-A'raaf : 91

الَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا شُعَيْبًا كَأَنْ لَمْ يَغْنَوْا فِيهَا ۚ الَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا شُعَيْبًا كَانُوا هُمُ الْخَاسِرِينَ | Those who impugned Shu'ayb became as if they had never lived there. Those who impugned Shu‘ayb were themselves the losers. | Al-A'raaf : 92

فَتَوَلَّىٰ عَنْهُمْ وَقَالَ يَا قَوْمِ لَقَدْ أَبْلَغْتُكُمْ رِسَالَاتِ رَبِّي وَنَصَحْتُ لَكُمْ ۖ فَكَيْفَ آسَىٰ عَلَىٰ قَوْمٍ كَافِرِينَ | So he abandoned them [to their fate] and said, ‘O my people! Certainly, I communicated to you the messages of my Lord, and I was your well-wisher. So how should I grieve for a faithless lot?’ | Al-A'raaf : 93

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا فِي قَرْيَةٍ مِنْ نَبِيٍّ إِلَّا أَخَذْنَا أَهْلَهَا بِالْبَأْسَاءِ وَالضَّرَّاءِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَضَّرَّعُونَ | We did not send a prophet to any town without visiting its people with stress and distress so that they might entreat [for Allah’s forgiveness]. | Al-A'raaf : 94

ثُمَّ بَدَّلْنَا مَكَانَ السَّيِّئَةِ الْحَسَنَةَ حَتَّىٰ عَفَوْا وَقَالُوا قَدْ مَسَّ آبَاءَنَا الضَّرَّاءُ وَالسَّرَّاءُ فَأَخَذْنَاهُمْ بَغْتَةً وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ | Then We changed the ill [conditions] to good until they multiplied [in numbers] and said, ‘Adversity and ease befell our fathers [too].’ Then We seized them suddenly while they were unaware. | Al-A'raaf : 95

وَلَوْ أَنَّ أَهْلَ الْقُرَىٰ آمَنُوا وَاتَّقَوْا لَفَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ بَرَكَاتٍ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَلَٰكِنْ كَذَّبُوا فَأَخَذْنَاهُمْ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْسِبُونَ | If the people of the towns had been faithful and Godwary, We would have opened to them blessings from the heaven and the earth. But they denied; so We seized them because of what they used to earn. | Al-A'raaf : 96

أَفَأَمِنَ أَهْلُ الْقُرَىٰ أَنْ يَأْتِيَهُمْ بَأْسُنَا بَيَاتًا وَهُمْ نَائِمُونَ | Do the people of the towns feel secure from Our punishment overtaking them at night while they are asleep? | Al-A'raaf : 97

أَوَأَمِنَ أَهْلُ الْقُرَىٰ أَنْ يَأْتِيَهُمْ بَأْسُنَا ضُحًى وَهُمْ يَلْعَبُونَ | Do the people of the towns feel secure from Our punishment overtaking them at midday while they are playing around? | Al-A'raaf : 98

أَفَأَمِنُوا مَكْرَ اللَّهِ ۚ فَلَا يَأْمَنُ مَكْرَ اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْقَوْمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ | Do they feel secure from Allah’s devising? No one feels secure from Allah’s devising except the people who are losers. | Al-A'raaf : 99
 

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أَوَلَمْ يَهْدِ لِلَّذِينَ يَرِثُونَ الْأَرْضَ مِنْ بَعْدِ أَهْلِهَا أَنْ لَوْ نَشَاءُ أَصَبْنَاهُمْ بِذُنُوبِهِمْ ۚ وَنَطْبَعُ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ فَهُمْ لَا يَسْمَعُونَ | Does it not dawn upon those who inherited the earth after its [former] inhabitants that if We wish We will punish them for their sins, and set a seal on their hearts so they would not hear? | Al-A'raaf : 100

تِلْكَ الْقُرَىٰ نَقُصُّ عَلَيْكَ مِنْ أَنْبَائِهَا ۚ وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُهُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَمَا كَانُوا لِيُؤْمِنُوا بِمَا كَذَّبُوا مِنْ قَبْلُ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يَطْبَعُ اللَّهُ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِ الْكَافِرِينَ | These are the towns some of whose accounts We recount to you. Their apostles certainly brought them manifest proofs, but they were not the ones to believe in what they had denied earlier. Thus does Allah put a seal on the hearts of the faithless. | Al-A'raaf : 101

وَمَا وَجَدْنَا لِأَكْثَرِهِمْ مِنْ عَهْدٍ ۖ وَإِنْ وَجَدْنَا أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَفَاسِقِينَ | We did not find in most of them any [loyalty to] covenants. Indeed, We found most of them to be transgressors. | Al-A'raaf : 102

ثُمَّ بَعَثْنَا مِنْ بَعْدِهِمْ مُوسَىٰ بِآيَاتِنَا إِلَىٰ فِرْعَوْنَ وَمَلَئِهِ فَظَلَمُوا بِهَا ۖ فَانْظُرْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الْمُفْسِدِينَ | Then after them We sent Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his elite, but they wronged them. So observe how was the fate of the agents of corruption! | Al-A'raaf : 103

قَالَ مُوسَىٰ لِقَوْمِهِ اسْتَعِينُوا بِاللَّهِ وَاصْبِرُوا ۖ إِنَّ الْأَرْضَ لِلَّهِ يُورِثُهَا مَنْ يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ ۖ وَالْعَاقِبَةُ لِلْمُتَّقِينَ | Moses said to his people, ‘Turn to Allah for help and be patient. The earth indeed belongs to Allah, and He gives its inheritance to whomever He wishes of His servants, and the outcome will be in favour of the Godwary.’ | Al-A'raaf : 128

قَالُوا أُوذِينَا مِنْ قَبْلِ أَنْ تَأْتِيَنَا وَمِنْ بَعْدِ مَا جِئْتَنَا ۚ قَالَ عَسَىٰ رَبُّكُمْ أَنْ يُهْلِكَ عَدُوَّكُمْ وَيَسْتَخْلِفَكُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَيَنْظُرَ كَيْفَ تَعْمَلُونَ | They said, ‘We were tormented before you came to us and [also] after you came to us.’ He said, ‘Maybe your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you successors in the land, and then He will see how you act.’ | Al-A'raaf : 129

وَلَقَدْ أَخَذْنَا آلَ فِرْعَوْنَ بِالسِّنِينَ وَنَقْصٍ مِنَ الثَّمَرَاتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَذَّكَّرُونَ | Certainly We afflicted Pharaoh’s clan with droughts and loss of produce, so that they may take admonition. | Al-A'raaf : 130

فَإِذَا جَاءَتْهُمُ الْحَسَنَةُ قَالُوا لَنَا هَٰذِهِ ۖ وَإِنْ تُصِبْهُمْ سَيِّئَةٌ يَطَّيَّرُوا بِمُوسَىٰ وَمَنْ مَعَهُ ۗ أَلَا إِنَّمَا طَائِرُهُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ وَلَٰكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ | But whenever any good came to them, they would say, ‘This is our due.’ And if any ill visited them, they took it for ill omens attending Moses and those who were with him. (Look! Indeed the cause of their ill omens is from Allah, but most of them do not know.) | Al-A'raaf : 131

وَقَالُوا مَهْمَا تَأْتِنَا بِهِ مِنْ آيَةٍ لِتَسْحَرَنَا بِهَا فَمَا نَحْنُ لَكَ بِمُؤْمِنِينَ | And they said, ‘Whatever sign you may bring us to bewitch us, we are not going to believe you.’ | Al-A'raaf : 132

فَأَرْسَلْنَا عَلَيْهِمُ الطُّوفَانَ وَالْجَرَادَ وَالْقُمَّلَ وَالضَّفَادِعَ وَالدَّمَ آيَاتٍ مُفَصَّلَاتٍ فَاسْتَكْبَرُوا وَكَانُوا قَوْمًا مُجْرِمِينَ | So We sent against them a flood and locusts, lice, frogs and blood, as distinct signs. But they acted arrogantly, and they were a guilty lot. | Al-A'raaf : 133

وَلَمَّا وَقَعَ عَلَيْهِمُ الرِّجْزُ قَالُوا يَا مُوسَى ادْعُ لَنَا رَبَّكَ بِمَا عَهِدَ عِنْدَكَ ۖ لَئِنْ كَشَفْتَ عَنَّا الرِّجْزَ لَنُؤْمِنَنَّ لَكَ وَلَنُرْسِلَنَّ مَعَكَ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ | Whenever a plague fell upon them, they would say, ‘O Moses, invoke your Lord for us by the covenant He has made with you. If you remove the plague from us, we will certainly believe in you and let the Children of Israel go along with you.’ | Al-A'raaf : 134

فَلَمَّا كَشَفْنَا عَنْهُمُ الرِّجْزَ إِلَىٰ أَجَلٍ هُمْ بَالِغُوهُ إِذَا هُمْ يَنْكُثُونَ | But when We had removed the plague from them until a term that they should have completed, behold, they broke their promise. | Al-A'raaf : 135

فَانْتَقَمْنَا مِنْهُمْ فَأَغْرَقْنَاهُمْ فِي الْيَمِّ بِأَنَّهُمْ كَذَّبُوا بِآيَاتِنَا وَكَانُوا عَنْهَا غَافِلِينَ | So We took vengeance on them and drowned them in the sea, for they denied Our signs and were oblivious to them. | Al-A'raaf : 136

وَأَوْرَثْنَا الْقَوْمَ الَّذِينَ كَانُوا يُسْتَضْعَفُونَ مَشَارِقَ الْأَرْضِ وَمَغَارِبَهَا الَّتِي بَارَكْنَا فِيهَا ۖ وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَتُ رَبِّكَ الْحُسْنَىٰ عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ بِمَا صَبَرُوا ۖ وَدَمَّرْنَا مَا كَانَ يَصْنَعُ فِرْعَوْنُ وَقَوْمُهُ وَمَا كَانُوا يَعْرِشُونَ | We made the people who were abased the heirs to the east and west of the land which We had blessed, and your Lord’s best word [of promise] was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of their patience, and We destroyed what Pharaoh and his people had built and what they used to erect. | Al-A'raaf : 137

وَإِذْ أَنْجَيْنَاكُمْ مِنْ آلِ فِرْعَوْنَ يَسُومُونَكُمْ سُوءَ الْعَذَابِ ۖ يُقَتِّلُونَ أَبْنَاءَكُمْ وَيَسْتَحْيُونَ نِسَاءَكُمْ ۚ وَفِي ذَٰلِكُمْ بَلَاءٌ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ عَظِيمٌ | And when We delivered you from Pharaoh’s clan who inflicted on you a terrible torment, slaughtering your sons and sparing your women, and there was a great test in that from your Lord. | Al-A'raaf : 141
 

InvestigateTruth

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It's mentioned in the last hadith. There are more hadiths about that verse by the way. They talk about it referring to Imams (a) as witnesses.

You are talking about this:

وعنه عليه السلام في هذه الآية قال يعني الأمة التي وجبت لها دعوة إبراهيم فهم الأمة التي بعث الله فيها ومنها وإليها وهم الأمة الوسطى وهم خير أمة أخرجت للناس.

And on his authority, peace be upon him, in this verse, he said, meaning the umma to which Abraham’s call was required. They are the umma to which God raised, and from it and towards it. They are the middle/intermediate umma and they are the best umma brought forth for mankind.


Being "Best Ummah" is one thing, and being "Middle" is another thing. Muslims are both. I wouldn't conclude from this Hadith, that being middle means being the best.
Like I asked before what is specially good about worldwide Muslims community that they are the best, in comparison to Christians or Jews, or Hindus or any other people?

I understand it within the context of History. For the first several centuries, Muslims practically were the best. Many scientists came out of Islam. They were more advanced than Europe. But that folden Age of Islam, practically is diminished. Unless, you can point out why in our current time they are the best.

Also, this part of Hadith gets my attention:

بعث الله فيها ومنها وإليها

"God Rises among the Ummah, From the Ummah, and Toward it"

What does it mean?
To me, it means, among this Ummah, God rises ( بعث), a Messenger, who is from this Ummah, and would testify against it (إليها) , for this reason, it is a middle Ummah.
 
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