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For Those Who Believe in the Story of Lucifer
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my favourite line from the movie The Principal
Christ is the first being created by God. through him everything else was created including the angel that later became satan. Proverbs 8:22-31
Satan is all those things, just as Jesus has several names including Prince of Peace, the Lamb and Michael the Archangel.
you need to quote a scripture
as Jesus never sinned against God whereas satan has. Genesis: when the serpent lies to eve. speaks the first lie thus becoming the "father of the lie" which is what satan is. then in revelation satan is referred to as "the original serpent" in chapter 12.
Jesus is the one who died so that we may eventually get everlasting life. He has never and will never sin against God
Satan is everyday along with his demons. "Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.” Revelation 12:12 (end of)
You seem to have missed the whole point that in the bible there is only one True God not fifty million but one. So YHWH or Jehovah as he is also known as, knows there are no egyption Gods and was getting his people away from those who were oppressing them. the parting of the red sea was a miralce done with the power of God, to get the Jews away from the Pharoah. he wont do it everyday, plus he has other plans in motion for the restoration of the world, which includes the being you have said is evil!
There are no holes in the bible, just mis interpretations and mis translations by humans.
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
Rev. 22:16 KJV
How can you be so sure? If there were no holes in the Bible, how come so many people can find so many of them?
Besides, the Torah frequently acknowledges the existence of many other gods, just that YHWH is the greatest of them. And it's going to take a lot more than a book of myths to convince me. Now, if Father were to actually tell me that he was, in fact, YHWH of Hebrew myth, then I'd believe. But he never speaks with words, and is always vague with his instructions, and lately, I've been too lazy to listen to him; I doubt I'm still in his favor. Note that I've never worshiped him, for he is a teacher, and I treat him as such. He does not demand that I bow down to him like a slave, just that I take his teachings to heart and listen to him. And believe me, I've been doing a poor job of that.
And I don't believe in good or evil. Those are human concepts. The gods are above that. Belial and his father Beezlebub, King of All Evil, are fictional characters based on ancient demons that I created for a Biblical fanfic that I'm writing. Same with Lucifer, the Angel of Light.
And if my fate is to burn in hell for eternity for having these notions, so be it. Eternal paradise sounds extremely boring and depressing, anyway. Nice for the first few days, but after a month of no night and no moon, I'd jump into the lake of fire myself so I could once again be in my darkness. The light as is described in the Bible is just too bright for me, and I HATE bright lights as it is. Besides, my soul would be deemed too unclean for Heaven. I certainly think so. I'm not worthy to live with the gods of my own beliefs, let alone the God of Christianity, who is described as being even greater.
And I've never heard of that movie, actually.
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
Rev. 22:16 KJV
How can you be so sure? If there were no holes in the Bible, how come so many people can find so many of them?
Besides, the Torah frequently acknowledges the existence of many other gods, just that YHWH is the greatest of them. And it's going to take a lot more than a book of myths to convince me. Now, if Father were to actually tell me that he was, in fact, YHWH of Hebrew myth, then I'd believe. But he never speaks with words, and is always vague with his instructions, and lately, I've been too lazy to listen to him; I doubt I'm still in his favor. Note that I've never worshiped him, for he is a teacher, and I treat him as such. He does not demand that I bow down to him like a slave, just that I take his teachings to heart and listen to him. And believe me, I've been doing a poor job of that.
And I don't believe in good or evil. Those are human concepts. The gods are above that. Belial and his father Beezlebub, King of All Evil, are fictional characters based on ancient demons that I created for a Biblical fanfic that I'm writing. Same with Lucifer, the Angel of Light.
And if my fate is to burn in hell for eternity for having these notions, so be it. Eternal paradise sounds extremely boring and depressing, anyway. Nice for the first few days, but after a month of no night and no moon, I'd jump into the lake of fire myself so I could once again be in my darkness. The light as is described in the Bible is just too bright for me, and I HATE bright lights as it is. Besides, my soul would be deemed too unclean for Heaven. I certainly think so. I'm not worthy to live with the gods of my own beliefs, let alone the God of Christianity, who is described as being even greater.
And I've never heard of that movie, actually.
Whereas my version says I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to YOU people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star
Can you see where the translation differs? Satan may be known as "the morning Star"but Christ is known as "the BRIGHT morning Star" there is one word different, that shows that these are two separate beings not the sameo ne. they are reffered to as idfferently.
Also Genesis 3:15 refers to the seed of the woman. The woman is not Eve literally, but Gods heavenly organisation and that seed is Jesus.
Genesis 3:15 nd I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel
Its the mistranslations and man made doctrines that trip people up. These are all designed by satan to make sure you do not make it into the new system of things, where he no longer exists and that will be peaceful and perfect
Psalm 37:10-11 And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be. But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
The Torah may speak of many different gods, but the bible speaks of one God Almighty who is Jehovah, one Mighty God who is Jesus and the God of the system of things who is Satan. What "god" actually is its like a title given to the ruler of the system or universe and they all have different names if you look they are not all given the same name or title and only one is contantly refered to as God with a capital G
See a man made creation all inspired by satan, whether you know it or not
I dont believe you would burn in hell, because the bible does not teach you will burn for all eternity in hell. It is yet another man made doctrine
Eternal paradise sounds boring hey? What a pity, you could be as dark as you wanted, as long as you lived a really good life. you wouldnt have tojoin the land of the light if you didnt want to.
lake of fire is not a literal lake, but a figurative one of eternal destruction. Fire and Sulphur consume and destroy, that is what the lake of fire is, it consumes your vlife and destroys you. you will no longer exist.
I dont believe you would go to heaven and only because only 144 000 go there, the rest of us live on earth. could you imagine all the dark holes in the earth you could investigate for yourself living forever? Or just forget about darkness and come into some light once in a while.
Was one of my favs when I was growing up. not vso much now. James Belushi is in it.And I've never heard of that movie, actually.
Peace
Quran & Sunnah
For those who believe this story, how do you reconcile the idea of an angel, a being without free will, choosing to not do God's will? I'm honestly curious. This isn't supposed to be some kind of back-handed insult.
In Islam, Satan/Iblis is a jinn and not an angel. He was a devotee to the extent that he was elevated to worship God along with the angels.
Allah says in the Quran: "Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam": They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!"
ok so is this how it ties into Job then? In Job 2:1 it says Afterward it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also proceeded to enter right among them to take his station before Jehovah Sound like satan was like those "sons of the [true] God
Also Mball1297. What Scripture in the bible says that the angels have no free will?
Also Mball1297. What Scripture in the bible says that the angels have no free will?
RND
Seventh-day Adventist
For those who believe this story, how do you reconcile the idea of an angel, a being without free will, choosing to not do God's will? I'm honestly curious. This isn't supposed to be some kind of back-handed insult.
Who said angels didn't have "free will?"
RND
Seventh-day Adventist
Satan (Lucifer) rebelled. Rebellion is an act of free will.
Pro 17:11 An evil [man] seeketh only rebellion: therefore a cruel messenger shall be sent against him.
The Origin of Evil
The law of love being the foundation of the government of God, the happiness of all created beings depended upon their perfect accord with its great principles of righteousness. God desires from all his creatures the service of love,-- homage that springs from an intelligent appreciation of his character. He takes no pleasure in a forced allegiance, and to all he grants freedom of will, that they may render him voluntary service. {GC88 493.2}
But there was one that chose to pervert this freedom. Sin originated with him, who, next to Christ, had been most honored of God, and who stood highest in power and glory among the inhabitants of Heaven. Before his fall, Lucifer was first of the covering cherubs, holy and undefiled. "Thus saith the Lord God: Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so; thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." [EZE. 28:12-15, 17.] {GC88 493.3}
Lucifer might have remained in favor with God, beloved and honored by all the angelic host, exercising his noble powers to bless others and to glorify his Maker. But, says the prophet, "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness." [EZE. 28:12-15, 17.] Little by little, Lucifer came to indulge a desire for self-exaltation. "Thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God." "Thou hast said: . . . I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation." "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High." [EZE. 28:6; ISA. 14:13, 14.] Instead of seeking to make God supreme in the affections and allegiance of his creatures, it was Lucifer's endeavor to win their service and homage to himself. And, coveting the honor which the infinite Father had bestowed upon his Son, this prince of angels aspired to power which it was the prerogative of Christ alone to wield. {GC88 494.1}
All Heaven had rejoiced to reflect the Creator's glory and to show forth his praise. And while God was thus honored, all had been peace and gladness. But a note of discord now marred the celestial harmonies. The service and exaltation of self, contrary to the Creator's plan, awakened forebodings of evil in minds to whom God's glory was supreme. The heavenly councils pleaded with Lucifer. The Son of God presented before him the greatness, the goodness, and the justice of the Creator, and the sacred, unchanging nature of his law. God himself had established the order of Heaven; and in departing from it, Lucifer would dishonor his Maker, and bring ruin upon himself. But the warning, given in infinite love and mercy, only aroused a spirit of resistance. Lucifer allowed jealousy of Christ to prevail, and he became the more determined. {GC88 494.2}
Wow... this is an old thread.
Well, my beliefs have updated since, so here we go.
So adding an adjective automatically changes the entire meaning... sorry, but that's not convincing.
What would be more convincing is that the Vulgate, where using "Lucifer" as the name of the devil originated, doesn't use the word "lucifer" at that moment, which it doesn't.
HOWEVER...
et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris (II Peter 1:19)
Translated to the NIV:
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Now I don't know if it's referring to Jesus specifically or not, but it seems here that the morning star is a good thing.
That's how you read it, and that's perfectly valid.
That's not how I read it.
And how can you know for sure which translation is the best? There are those who believe that the KJV is the only version that's valid, and that other translations are the work of Satan. They claim to have the Holy Spirit backing them up.
...the Torah is the first five books of the Bible.
And Jehovah is a mistranslation of the tetragrammaton. It's simply YHVH, which is forbidden to pronounce.
How do you know? Fanfics are harmless, so long as they are not taken seriously or canonically.
Besides, I've put that fanfic on hold until I know more about the Jewish legends from which these stories originated.
Or more specifically, a concept that is adapted from the Greek Tartarus.
Sweet.
Great. That's far better than any form of eternal life for me.
Define coming into the light.
I'm content with this life on earth, however many years have been allowed for me. When I die, I die. I don't expect anything, because anything can happen.
Well, my beliefs have updated since, so here we go.
So adding an adjective automatically changes the entire meaning... sorry, but that's not convincing.
What would be more convincing is that the Vulgate, where using "Lucifer" as the name of the devil originated, doesn't use the word "lucifer" at that moment, which it doesn't.
HOWEVER...
et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris (II Peter 1:19)
Translated to the NIV:
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Now I don't know if it's referring to Jesus specifically or not, but it seems here that the morning star is a good thing.
That's how you read it, and that's perfectly valid.
That's not how I read it.
And how can you know for sure which translation is the best? There are those who believe that the KJV is the only version that's valid, and that other translations are the work of Satan. They claim to have the Holy Spirit backing them up.
...the Torah is the first five books of the Bible.
And Jehovah is a mistranslation of the tetragrammaton. It's simply YHVH, which is forbidden to pronounce.
How do you know? Fanfics are harmless, so long as they are not taken seriously or canonically.
Besides, I've put that fanfic on hold until I know more about the Jewish legends from which these stories originated.
Or more specifically, a concept that is adapted from the Greek Tartarus.
Sweet.
Great. That's far better than any form of eternal life for me.
Define coming into the light.
I'm content with this life on earth, however many years have been allowed for me. When I die, I die. I don't expect anything, because anything can happen.
herushura
Active Member
Lucifer is the morning star - venus
Satan is a demonized Fish/grain god, origins are older then yhwh,
Good-Evil is a Pun for Libra the scales,
think, there is an apple on both scales of libra, thus are equal, or day/night - good/evil are equal, apple is a symbol for autumn, scale are at the autumn equinox. Take one apple and the scales of libra become unequal, thus scorpio the serpant overtakes the good of night, night become longer. Scorpians are an hebrew symbol fore evil
Satan is a demonized Fish/grain god, origins are older then yhwh,
Good-Evil is a Pun for Libra the scales,
think, there is an apple on both scales of libra, thus are equal, or day/night - good/evil are equal, apple is a symbol for autumn, scale are at the autumn equinox. Take one apple and the scales of libra become unequal, thus scorpio the serpant overtakes the good of night, night become longer. Scorpians are an hebrew symbol fore evil
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible -- Isaiah 14:12 -- but only in the King James and related versions: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! . . ." The New Revised Standard Version translates the same passage as "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, Son of Dawn!" In other translations we find: "O shining star of the dawn!" (Moffatt) or "O morning-star, son of the dawn!" (Hebrew Bible). The King James Version is based on the Vulgate, the Latin translation of Jerome. Jerome translated the Hebrew helel (bright or brilliant one) as "lucifer," which was a reasonable Latin equivalent. And yet it is this lucifer, the bright one or lightbearer, that came to be understood by so many as the name for Satan, Lord of Darkness.
Lucifer is not an Adversary as the word Satan (Shaiten) describes
Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' in other words Lux Lucis (Lucifer) is gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge.
Lucifer makes His debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die.
Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will, shows us the way to either be One with God or to be a God ourself
Satan is a personification of the Judaic word al-satan (who borrowed it from the Persians' Shaiten) meaning adversary. The word is used more as a descriptive noun or pronoun. A fallen tree preventing a husband from getting to his injured wife would be considered a tree of shaiten, more or less.
Shaiten did not become Satan until much later where Jewish sects / tribes such as the Essenes began referring to anyone not an Essene as a Shaiten. Still further the Roman Christian church decided it was time to personify shaiten into Satan and have Him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.
There is no Satan
Lucifer est lux lucis
Lucifer is the god of progress and intellectual inquiry, not only the divine inspiration behind the spiritual enlightenment of the Gnostic and the heretic and the lover of God in all his/her forms.
Through Lucifer's spirit humanity first climbed down from the trees and has represented the flow of progress ever since.
But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .
The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light!
A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.
Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light.
Lucifer is not an Adversary as the word Satan (Shaiten) describes
Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' in other words Lux Lucis (Lucifer) is gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge.
Lucifer makes His debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die.
Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will, shows us the way to either be One with God or to be a God ourself
Satan is a personification of the Judaic word al-satan (who borrowed it from the Persians' Shaiten) meaning adversary. The word is used more as a descriptive noun or pronoun. A fallen tree preventing a husband from getting to his injured wife would be considered a tree of shaiten, more or less.
Shaiten did not become Satan until much later where Jewish sects / tribes such as the Essenes began referring to anyone not an Essene as a Shaiten. Still further the Roman Christian church decided it was time to personify shaiten into Satan and have Him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.
There is no Satan
Lucifer est lux lucis
Lucifer is the god of progress and intellectual inquiry, not only the divine inspiration behind the spiritual enlightenment of the Gnostic and the heretic and the lover of God in all his/her forms.
Through Lucifer's spirit humanity first climbed down from the trees and has represented the flow of progress ever since.
But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .
The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light!
A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.
Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light.
And Jehovah is a mistranslation of the tetragrammaton. It's simply YHVH, which is forbidden to pronounce.
Its actually YHWH. Also why is it forbidden to say Gods name? who told you this? I know from the bible itself that I am supposed to use the name Jehovah because it is a marker of those who worship him
It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. Matthew 4:10
You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth
Psalm 83:18
I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.” John 17:6
Most bibles completely remove the name Jehovah or use LORD and there is often a Preface to their bible saying so
So I know from that myself that the KJV is not quite right, because it has removed the name of God and then replaced it with something else in most places, but it still remains there in certain texts, but not as often as it should. Thus they are actually changing the scripture and thus doing the opposite of Revelation 22:18 I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;
Its actually YHWH. Also why is it forbidden to say Gods name? who told you this? I know from the bible itself that I am supposed to use the name Jehovah because it is a marker of those who worship him
It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. Matthew 4:10
You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth
Psalm 83:18
I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.” John 17:6
Most bibles completely remove the name Jehovah or use LORD and there is often a Preface to their bible saying so
So I know from that myself that the KJV is not quite right, because it has removed the name of God and then replaced it with something else in most places, but it still remains there in certain texts, but not as often as it should. Thus they are actually changing the scripture and thus doing the opposite of Revelation 22:18 I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;
DarkSun
:eltiT
I know.
In fact, Lucifer is never given an exact form in the Bible at all.
Lucifer was a snake at one point, wasn't he? But then he took various other forms throughout genesis, exodus, etc.
DarkSun
:eltiT
Actually, we were going to die anyway, even if we didn't eat the forbidden fruit. The difference was that after we ate the fruit, we became conscious not only of our own existence but of our own mortality. Before eating the fruit, we were in a primitive state. We did not have ability to question our own existence, let alone what it meant to die. The tree of knowledge gave us the knowledge of death, which in turn made death real.
Lusifer is satan
Satan is known as the "Original Serpent". Also "the god of this system", "the father of the lie", "the ruler of the authority of the air",
Satan is also associated with "the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places" and we are told that he is "misleading the entire inhabited earth"
Satan is known as the "Original Serpent". Also "the god of this system", "the father of the lie", "the ruler of the authority of the air",
Satan is also associated with "the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places" and we are told that he is "misleading the entire inhabited earth"
herushura
Active Member
Lucifer is not Satan, and never was in the first place, Satan makes his first appearance in Job and chronicals, and lucifer is just the morning star, in fact if you say that satan is lucifer, then you are also saying King david is satan, and the hexagram is satan too.
Matthew 16:23
Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."
In Matthew Jesus calls Peter, Satan
Well, in defense of mball's original question, I had always been taught that the very reason God created humans was because he wanted someone who could love and worship him of his or her own freewill... indicating, of course, that the angels did not have this ability. This was also the reason given about why we do have free-will: to be able to choose to love God.
Satan makes his first appearance in Genesis actually
he vis the snake talking to Eve
thus why he is caleldc the Original Serpent and father of the lie.
Also in matthew Jesus is not actually calling Peter Satan I will take you from Matthew 16:21-25 so that you can fully comprehend what Jesus was talking about
Matthew 16:21-25
From that time forward Jesus Christ commenced showing his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the older men and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised up.
At this Peter took him aside and commenced rebuking him, saying: “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this [destiny] at all.” But, turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.”
Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and continually follow me. For whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it.
This all ties into Satans challenge of us humans, from the book of Job, when he says to Jehovah at Job 2:4 But Satan answered Jehovah and said: “Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a man has he will give in behalf of his soul
See Satans challenge to us Humans is that we will do anything to save our lives.
Jesus was saying to Peter, that his thoughts at that particular point in time originated with mens thinking and not Gods thinking. We know from the scriptures, that anything that has nothing to do with God's thinking is Satansthinking, therefore Jesus was literally saying Go Away to satan because satan was affecting Peters thoughts at that particular point in time. Not directly, but indirectly, because although Peter has once come from the world and worldly thinking came out of his mind at that particular point in time
Jesus then told everyone there that those who try to save their lives will actually lose them, but those who lose their lives for their faith in Jehovah and his kingdom to be ruled by Jesus will actually gain the chance to be one of Jesus' anointed brothers who help him in ruling as Kings and Priests in the new system.
Others who also are not of the anointed class are given the hope of a ressurection if they die before armageddon, or the safe passage through Armageddon as part vof the great crowd of folowers who survive it.So Jesus wasnt actually calling Peter satan as such, just his line of thinking. That of look after yourself first and foremost, be your own God and not a follower of the Soverign Lord
he vis the snake talking to Eve
thus why he is caleldc the Original Serpent and father of the lie.
Also in matthew Jesus is not actually calling Peter Satan I will take you from Matthew 16:21-25 so that you can fully comprehend what Jesus was talking about
Matthew 16:21-25
From that time forward Jesus Christ commenced showing his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the older men and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised up.
At this Peter took him aside and commenced rebuking him, saying: “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this [destiny] at all.” But, turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.”
Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and continually follow me. For whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it.
This all ties into Satans challenge of us humans, from the book of Job, when he says to Jehovah at Job 2:4 But Satan answered Jehovah and said: “Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a man has he will give in behalf of his soul
See Satans challenge to us Humans is that we will do anything to save our lives.
Jesus was saying to Peter, that his thoughts at that particular point in time originated with mens thinking and not Gods thinking. We know from the scriptures, that anything that has nothing to do with God's thinking is Satansthinking, therefore Jesus was literally saying Go Away to satan because satan was affecting Peters thoughts at that particular point in time. Not directly, but indirectly, because although Peter has once come from the world and worldly thinking came out of his mind at that particular point in time
Jesus then told everyone there that those who try to save their lives will actually lose them, but those who lose their lives for their faith in Jehovah and his kingdom to be ruled by Jesus will actually gain the chance to be one of Jesus' anointed brothers who help him in ruling as Kings and Priests in the new system.
Others who also are not of the anointed class are given the hope of a ressurection if they die before armageddon, or the safe passage through Armageddon as part vof the great crowd of folowers who survive it.So Jesus wasnt actually calling Peter satan as such, just his line of thinking. That of look after yourself first and foremost, be your own God and not a follower of the Soverign Lord
herushura
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Armegeddon is a PLACE, not an Happening, the only people who are "Anointed Class"
are Egyptan royalty, Satan Appearence is more Metahporical. The Serpant in the garden is Not satan, infact if you read the book of Enoch, satan makes no appearance, infact the only evil angel that appears is "Azazel".
Read the book of enoch.