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Christ is the first being created by God. through him everything else was created including the angel that later became satan. Proverbs 8:22-31From what I've heard, Lucifer was the "First, Most Fair, Most Bright."
Satan is all those things, just as Jesus has several names including Prince of Peace, the Lamb and Michael the Archangel.My beliefs on Lucifer differ from traditional Christian beliefs, but I've never seen him in the Bible. Just Satan and some other devils. I don't believe Lucifer, the Morning Star, to be the same entity as the satan, Belial, or the King of Evil, Beezlebul.
you need to quote a scriptureTo me, the rebellious Angel of Light has multiple stories. One story is that held traditionally which has been stated many times here already, so I have no need to repeat it. Another popular one is that Lucifer is Jesus, as he said in Revelations(too lazy to go look at one of my Bibles to see where it is) that he is the Morning Star, thus literally saying, "I am Lucifer." Thus Lucifer isn't the satan.
Satan is everyday along with his demons. "Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.” Revelation 12:12 (end of)that no divine being may interact physically with the world of Man. (That is, our Earth)
You seem to have missed the whole point that in the bible there is only one True God not fifty million but one. So YHWH or Jehovah as he is also known as, knows there are no egyption Gods and was getting his people away from those who were oppressing them. the parting of the red sea was a miralce done with the power of God, to get the Jews away from the Pharoah. he wont do it everyday, plus he has other plans in motion for the restoration of the world, which includes the being you have said is evil!But, seeing his people tortured so in Egypt and the Egyptian gods doing nothing about it, YHWH, God and Watcher of the Hebrews, broke with the Order, never to see Heaven again, so that he could save them from the oppression. So, Lucifer, the Morning Star, could in fact have been YHWH all along. I just made that up today, so I understand if it seems a little silly.
Whereas my version says I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to YOU people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
Rev. 22:16 KJV
Its the mistranslations and man made doctrines that trip people up. These are all designed by satan to make sure you do not make it into the new system of things, where he no longer exists and that will be peaceful and perfectHow can you be so sure? If there were no holes in the Bible, how come so many people can find so many of them?
The Torah may speak of many different gods, but the bible speaks of one God Almighty who is Jehovah, one Mighty God who is Jesus and the God of the system of things who is Satan. What "god" actually is its like a title given to the ruler of the system or universe and they all have different names if you look they are not all given the same name or title and only one is contantly refered to as God with a capital GBesides, the Torah frequently acknowledges the existence of many other gods, just that YHWH is the greatest of them. And it's going to take a lot more than a book of myths to convince me. Now, if Father were to actually tell me that he was, in fact, YHWH of Hebrew myth, then I'd believe. But he never speaks with words, and is always vague with his instructions, and lately, I've been too lazy to listen to him; I doubt I'm still in his favor. Note that I've never worshiped him, for he is a teacher, and I treat him as such. He does not demand that I bow down to him like a slave, just that I take his teachings to heart and listen to him. And believe me, I've been doing a poor job of that.
See a man made creation all inspired by satan, whether you know it or notAnd I don't believe in good or evil. Those are human concepts. The gods are above that. Belial and his father Beezlebub, King of All Evil, are fictional characters based on ancient demons that I created for a Biblical fanfic that I'm writing. Same with Lucifer, the Angel of Light.
I dont believe you would burn in hell, because the bible does not teach you will burn for all eternity in hell. It is yet another man made doctrineAnd if my fate is to burn in hell for eternity for having these notions, so be it. Eternal paradise sounds extremely boring and depressing, anyway. Nice for the first few days, but after a month of no night and no moon, I'd jump into the lake of fire myself so I could once again be in my darkness. The light as is described in the Bible is just too bright for me, and I HATE bright lights as it is. Besides, my soul would be deemed too unclean for Heaven. I certainly think so. I'm not worthy to live with the gods of my own beliefs, let alone the God of Christianity, who is described as being even greater.
Was one of my favs when I was growing up. not vso much now. James Belushi is in it.And I've never heard of that movie, actually.
For those who believe this story, how do you reconcile the idea of an angel, a being without free will, choosing to not do God's will? I'm honestly curious. This isn't supposed to be some kind of back-handed insult.
For those who believe this story, how do you reconcile the idea of an angel, a being without free will, choosing to not do God's will? I'm honestly curious. This isn't supposed to be some kind of back-handed insult.
I think this is one of those topics that requires extra-Biblical reference, because not all Jewish beliefs and traditions were put into the Bible. In fact, for most of Jewish history, scripture was oral.
Whereas my version says I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to YOU people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star
Can you see where the translation differs? Satan may be known as "the morning Star"but Christ is known as "the BRIGHT morning Star" there is one word different, that shows that these are two separate beings not the sameo ne. they are reffered to as idfferently.
Also Genesis 3:15 refers to the seed of the woman. The woman is not Eve literally, but Gods heavenly organisation and that seed is Jesus.
Genesis 3:15 nd I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel
Its the mistranslations and man made doctrines that trip people up. These are all designed by satan to make sure you do not make it into the new system of things, where he no longer exists and that will be peaceful and perfect
Psalm 37:10-11 And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be. But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
The Torah may speak of many different gods, but the bible speaks of one God Almighty who is Jehovah, one Mighty God who is Jesus and the God of the system of things who is Satan. What "god" actually is its like a title given to the ruler of the system or universe and they all have different names if you look they are not all given the same name or title and only one is contantly refered to as God with a capital G
See a man made creation all inspired by satan, whether you know it or not
I dont believe you would burn in hell, because the bible does not teach you will burn for all eternity in hell. It is yet another man made doctrine
Eternal paradise sounds boring hey? What a pity, you could be as dark as you wanted, as long as you lived a really good life. you wouldnt have tojoin the land of the light if you didnt want to.
lake of fire is not a literal lake, but a figurative one of eternal destruction. Fire and Sulphur consume and destroy, that is what the lake of fire is, it consumes your vlife and destroys you. you will no longer exist.
I dont believe you would go to heaven and only because only 144 000 go there, the rest of us live on earth. could you imagine all the dark holes in the earth you could investigate for yourself living forever? Or just forget about darkness and come into some light once in a while.
I used to believe what was commonly taught me in Sunday School about Lucifer being an angel, but there is no place in the bible where Lucifer is called an angel.
Lucifer makes His debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die.
Lusifer is satan
Satan is known as the "Original Serpent". Also "the god of this system", "the father of the lie", "the ruler of the authority of the air",
Satan is also associated with "the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places" and we are told that he is "misleading the entire inhabited earth"
Others who also are not of the anointed class are given the hope of a ressurection if they die before armageddon, or the safe passage through Armageddon as part vof the great crowd of folowers who survive it.So Jesus wasnt actually calling Peter satan as such, just his line of thinking. That of look after yourself first and foremost, be your own God and not a follower of the Soverign Lord