For those who believe that only Christians go to heaven...

[challupa]

I know where I came from....
It was under a flashing 'No Vacancy' sign where I was started.
At least according to my mother.

My father claims it was no more than 10 feet from a "Keep Off The Grass" sign.

LOL me too. After an out of town badminton tournament. Don't think there was a "Keep of the Grass" sign though.

 

[Muffled]

Sadistic- derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain or watching pain inflicted on others.
Cruel- causing or conducive to injury, grief, or pain.
Loving-charitable, selfless, altruistic, and unconditional.


Genesis 6:7- Kills off all but two of each animal, and every human but Noahs family.
Genesis 12:17-Plagues Egypt for Sarai's lies.
Exodus 7:4 -Hardens the heart of Pharaoh, thus ensuring the plagues.
Exodus Chapters 9-12- Plagues Egypt, all are affected, even the innocent.
Exodus 12:29- God kills all the Egyptian firstborn, innocent children die.
Exodus 15:3 "The LORD is a man of war, the Lord is his name."
Leviticus- Proscribes the death sentence for many sins, including adultery and talking back to your parents.
Jeremiah 18:11 God admits to being a source of evil.
Lamentations 4:4 God punishes Israel by allowing innocent babies to starve.
Nahum 3:10 God punished Nineveh by enslaving the people and smashing the little children in the streets.
Zephaniah 3:6 God destroyed entire cities, killing all the inhabitants. Children are not spared.

Please explain the LOVE involved in killing innocents? In hardening the heart of Pharaoh to ensure suffering? In proscribing death by stoning?

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

First answer me this question: Can goodness be achieved by practicing evil?

 

[Muffled]

I can't believe that Jesus let you leave after that answer. If that is your idea of love, please, Please, PLEASE try not to love anyone around you.

You wouldn't know love if you tripped over it backwards.

 

[Muffled]

But Muffled, you just got through saying, "The fact is that there are people in this world who love evil. Where did they come from. Obviously they didn't come from Heaven. It may not be too wild a speculation to believe that they emerged from Hell." If these people were created good and yet they may have emerged from Hell, how and when did they find themselves in Hell in the first place? This just isn't making any sense?

That is because you are not aware that creation is not a recent event. Our world has gone through several cycles of good and evil. We only have recorded the original creation, the end of the previous good cycle and the beginning of the evil cycle in Genesis 1. You could make a case for only one cycle if you only went by the second creation story but Jesus has promised an end to our current evil cycle and entrance into antoher good cycle.

 

[Muffled]

Was this a joke?

No! Jesus is the light of the world.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God.19 And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.

 

[Muffled]

Well, obviously, since according to him I came up from Hell I should be able to spread some light on this situation of his. Apparently, I was once good in a former life but then was taken in by "Satan's evil spell" and I was sent to hell when I died. Now, it seems, that Satan sent me, and others back, so as to make others stray away from god and bring them to Satan. At least that's how I'm understanding him. I'm just a pawn of Satan's you know. You better watch out for me or I'll warp you with my evil loving ways next.

Satan doesn't have the power to get himself out of Hell let alone you. God has allowed you back becasue He is merciful and has given you another opportunity to repent.

I am wrapped up in Jesus where evil may not dwell. You have no power over me.

 

[Muffled]

Ya know, I'm kinda feeling left out here. And Lost and a little confused, cause I don't know where I come from!!:thud:

Here's a hint:

1Co 14:33 for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace

 

[Muffled]

I know where I came from....
It was under a flashing 'No Vacancy' sign where I was started.
At least according to my mother.

My father claims it was no more than 10 feet from a "Keep Off The Grass" sign.

So you are trying to claim that you are a zombie, the soulless, the living dead?

 

[challupa]

So you are trying to claim that you are a zombie, the soulless, the living dead?

HUH

 

[Katzpur]

That is because you are not aware that creation is not a recent event.

Oh, I am very much aware that creation is not a recent event.

Our world has gone through several cycles of good and evil. We only have recorded the original creation, the end of the previous good cycle and the beginning of the evil cycle in Genesis 1. You could make a case for only one cycle if you only went by the second creation story but Jesus has promised an end to our current evil cycle and entrance into antoher good cycle.

To a certain extent, I agree, but it appears you believe in reincarnation, which I do not. Still, you have not answered my question.

 

[Draka]

Satan doesn't have the power to get himself out of Hell let alone you. God has allowed you back becasue He is merciful and has given you another opportunity to repent.

Really? Merciful? Merciful??

If your god really did exist and wanted me to follow it it didn't do a very good job. If it wanted me to believe in it then why have me raised in a Christian household, given the information in the bible, and then also handed me the intelligence to figure out that it is just a book of mythological stories that are comparable to Grim's Fairytales (scare the crap out of kids to make them behave). It's no wonder I found a more loving path. A more fulfilling path. A better path. :yes:

I am wrapped up in Jesus where evil may not dwell. You have no power over me.

Wow, ignoring for one moment the comment wasn't directed at you...it was a freaking joke dude. If you can't read a post and tell that it is dripping with sarcasm let me know and I'll be sure to put these :sarcastic all the way through it so that you can better understand. :areyoucra

 

[mohe3439]

I like to think that if God exhisted he would give EVERYONE a chance to get into HEaven as long as they were a good person, or followed their religion's practices.

 

[McBell]

Can goodness be achieved by practicing evil?

Yes.

So you are trying to claim that you are a zombie, the soulless, the living dead?

What the hell are you talking about?
Your deity had nothing at all to do with my being here.
There, I flat out said it.
You don't like the facts, that is on you.


Listening to your sadistic nonsense, I want absolutely nothing to do with the pathetic excuse for a deity you claim.

 

[logician]

I like to think that if God exhisted he would give EVERYONE a chance to get into HEaven as long as they were a good person, or followed their religion's practices.

What if your religion believed in human sacrifice?

 

[Draka]

Satan doesn't have the power to get himself out of Hell let alone you.

I just wanted to hit on this again. If Satan doesn't have the power to come out of hell then how is he supposedly whispering any lies in any ears for anyone to buy into anyway? If he's locked up tight in hell, as per god, then how is he corrupting anyone? I mean really, if god didn't WANT satan to be able to influence people then one would think, as all-powerful as god is supposed to be, that he could keep satan locked away so tight that he couldn't do anything to anyone. The fact that you believe that satan has control over people and leads them away from god also means that you must not believe your god either is capable of controlling satan, in which case he is NOT all-powerful OR your god WANTS satan to lead people away from him. Now if that is the case then WHY? To play some game? To "test" people for fun? To see if certain people are weak and shouldn't be allowed in his little country club? Why would he need to "test" anyone if he "knows all"? Wouldn't he already know everything about a person's soul without playing games with satan over it? Don't you see how stupid this all is?

If satan is allowed to do anything to anyone either god CAN'T control him or god WANTS satan to mess with people. So which is it? Is your god NOT all powerful or is he into playing SADISTIC games with humans? Do tell.

 

[challupa]

I just wanted to hit on this again. If Satan doesn't have the power to come out of hell then how is he supposedly whispering any lies in any ears for anyone to buy into anyway? If he's locked up tight in hell, as per god, then how is he corrupting anyone? I mean really, if god didn't WANT satan to be able to influence people then one would think, as all-powerful as god is supposed to be, that he could keep satan locked away so tight that he couldn't do anything to anyone. The fact that you believe that satan has control over people and leads them away from god also means that you must not believe your god either is capable of controlling satan, in which case he is NOT all-powerful OR your god WANTS satan to lead people away from him. Now if that is the case then WHY? To play some game? To "test" people for fun? To see if certain people are weak and shouldn't be allowed in his little country club? Why would he need to "test" anyone if he "knows all"? Wouldn't he already know everything about a person's soul without playing games with satan over it? Don't you see how stupid this all is?

If satan is allowed to do anything to anyone either god CAN'T control him or god WANTS satan to mess with people. So which is it? Is your god NOT all powerful or is he into playing SADISTIC games with humans? Do tell.

Draka, I'm sure you've heard the story of Job. The little competition God had with Satan!! That story is just one of many disgusting ones in the OT.

 

[Muffled]

Oh, I am very much aware that creation is not a recent event.

To a certain extent, I agree, but it appears you believe in reincarnation, which I do not. Still, you have not answered my question.

You are way ahead of the curve for Christians on this topic. How did you attain the info?

There isn't much evidence for it in the Bible. Philosophically either way makes sense although I still don't believe that God created man to lounge around Heaven for an eternity. He created an active universe and we take part in it.

Please excuse me; I thought my reply was sufficient. When the world ends it reaches the end of an evil cycle. At that point God has to judge whether people are going to Hell, Heaven or the new life in the good cycle or as Jesus put it into outer darkness. There are other things He can do also. He can move a soul up or down on the levels of space (usually referred to as Heavens).

On the other end (We are familiar wirth Adam and Eve) when evil is allowed to enter into life again, those souls who were bound in Hell are given a new life. At this point those living from the good cycle can go to Heaven to avoid evil or stay in the cycle.

 

[Muffled]

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Really? Merciful? Merciful??

If your god really did exist and wanted me to follow it it didn't do a very good job. If it wanted me to believe in it then why have me raised in a Christian household, given the information in the bible, and then also handed me the intelligence to figure out that it is just a book of mythological stories that are comparable to Grim's Fairytales (scare the crap out of kids to make them behave). It's no wonder I found a more loving path. A more fulfilling path. A better path. :yes:


Wow, ignoring for one moment the comment wasn't directed at you...it was a freaking joke dude. If you can't read a post and tell that it is dripping with sarcasm let me know and I'll be sure to put these :sarcastic all the way through it so that you can better understand. :areyoucra

The Truth is in the Bible. God put it there so that you could come to it. If it turned into a fairy tale for you, there is some other agent at work. You say you have intelligence but I have intelligence also and figured out that it is the Truth. However before I came to an intellectual understanding of the Bible I had a mystical acceptance of it. I believe the Word harmonized with what I had learned in past lives. I wonder if you are aware that your understanding is colored by outside influences. It would appear not.


There is no such thing. The path you are on is the path back to Hell and torment.

I could have sworn you had a trident aimed at my derriere!

 

[Muffled]

Yes.


What the hell are you talking about?
Your deity had nothing at all to do with my being here.
There, I flat out said it.
You don't like the facts, that is on you.


Listening to your sadistic nonsense, I want absolutely nothing to do with the pathetic excuse for a deity you claim.

If that is the case then all of the so called cruel acts of God that were listed actually lead to goodness.

I know the facts. You are here. You have said it. However you are not an authority on the subject, so your words are meaningless.

You are about as clueless as the first person who used the word "sadistic." Perhaps you would like to point out the nonsense and say how you think it is sadistic that is if you can make arguments and not just spout inanities.

He is the only one we have. Like it or lump it. I suppose you would rather have the devil as your God, someone who whispers all the sweet lies that you want to hear.

 

[Muffled]

Draka, I'm sure you've heard the story of Job. The little competition God had with Satan!! That story is just one of many disgusting ones in the OT.

As some others have pointed out in other threads it is difficult to see the light without the darkness in juxtaposition. How will a person see his own darkness if there is not an example of darkness and light to choose from?

In a sense it is justifiable for God to allow the devil some influence over those who belong to him.