Orias
Left Hand Path
I see what you mean...
Do you think it is the spiritual force, our connection with the universe? If so, I am on the same boat as you.
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For those who doubt the Ouija Board...
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I see what you mean...
Do you think it is the spiritual force, our connection with the universe? If so, I am on the same boat as you.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Yes, I would say so. There is a connection there.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Ok, I want to make a distinction here though.
All animals are of a type of spiritual nature, for animals are capable of feeling emotions like love, guilt, hate, remorse, etc. (carnal). In this sense we are all connected.
But some people may take it to a different level, whereas they treat life as a puzzle that needs to be solved. People need to find the peice missing from existence in which brought us here, to make them feel as if life must be accomplished. But an accomplished life means nothing to a dead person, as life is cursed to die, there is no way around it. Unless you believe in supernatural dieites and what not.
Life only has meaning to those that give it meaning. Random and strange events only have meanings if people give meaning to it.
Can people not accept that we just are? And that things do just happen?
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Life is simply energy changing form. Death is simply energy changing form. Therefore, in reality, there is no "life" or "death", only energy changing form. Energy can neither be created, nor destroyed, only change form...perhaps consciousness is similar, like a force of sorts. I believe consciousness can change form, be altered, but not destroyed. Life and death are just words given to describe a certain aspect/function of energy, a change. Obviously energy can have consciousness/awareness just as we are simply energy forms that are aware and conscious. Atoms, molecules, etc...with consciousness. Therefore, in this existing universe, we know there to be energy and consciousness. Perhaps energy is conscious...after all, it is animate, vibrational, moves and changes form...has an action and reaction. To me that is conscious, to me that is having "spirit". The animating factor or principal. It could be said this universe has a "spirit"....but it is not "supernatural", not "divine". Well, that's just how I see things anyways. If it is true that spirits/ghosts do really exist, then they are simply another form/type of energy or consciousness.
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Orias
Left Hand Path
I see, but things do live and die. You don't see the dead being reanimated. Energy may not be destroyed, but it can change to a form where it is obsolete.
I get what you are saying though we are part of the energy of the universe, and we are of the universe. But that doesn't mean that our energy will change form or be released, our lives may continue on in another parallel universe, though that is just a theory
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As far as the Ouija board is concerned, I have no use for it. However, I have found that the Tarot, the Magic Mirror of Ma'at, Astrology, and other forms of Divinition do indeed Work. Every time I've used the Ouija board it seems that either myself or someone else in the group ends up manipulating the curser. The Ouija board, to me, just doesn't seem to be very reliable.:sarcastic
Don't get me wrong, I hold the psyche to be a very real phenomenon. And has the potential to become immortial through perpetual Xeper and Remanifestation.
/Adramelek\
Don't get me wrong, I hold the psyche to be a very real phenomenon. And has the potential to become immortial through perpetual Xeper and Remanifestation.
/Adramelek\
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
I see, but things do live and die. You don't see the dead being reanimated. quote]
It is a matter of perception... I see the "dead" as being animated, as other energy, they just don't retain the same consciousness...that part moves on...it also changes in a way. Nothing is ever truly destroyed...even our own consciousness. But then again, I am an animist, so I see things a little differently.
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Orias
Left Hand Path
I see, but things do live and die. You don't see the dead being reanimated. quote]
It is a matter of perception... I see the "dead" as being animated, as other energy, they just don't retain the same consciousness...that part moves on...it also changes in a way. Nothing is ever truly destroyed...even our own consciousness. But then again, I am an animist, so I see things a little differently.
Things do get truly destroyed.
Drop an atom bomb on a city with a population of 10,000. All of those citizens will be destroyed, non existant.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
I'm not sure, you know?
I once had someone give me a tarot reading and deduce there was I was going to have a pregnancy (well, a birth. I forget what, it was a few years ago) come my way soon enough - then, about 7-8 or so weeks later, we find out my then fiancée is 6 weeks pregnant with my son, who's not long gone 2. The one who read my tarot and my fiancée have only spoken once (not about tarot or anything; my wife thought she was weird because she was blathering on to my (uninterested partner) about Christians persecuting "her people" and how she was initiated by her grandmother into a secret coven that's been going since the Christians took over the UK, or something--this was the first time she'd met her, so they didn't have much to talk about) at a party, and not since.
I'm not sure if it was some form of suggestion that made that happen, or what, but I know that I'm kind of open-minded to it, although a bit skeptical of it. Even if it is merely Jungian or suggestion, it's still interesting, and the cards are often kind of cute.
But, I dunno. Either way it doesn't have any effect on me.
I once had someone give me a tarot reading and deduce there was I was going to have a pregnancy (well, a birth. I forget what, it was a few years ago) come my way soon enough - then, about 7-8 or so weeks later, we find out my then fiancée is 6 weeks pregnant with my son, who's not long gone 2. The one who read my tarot and my fiancée have only spoken once (not about tarot or anything; my wife thought she was weird because she was blathering on to my (uninterested partner) about Christians persecuting "her people" and how she was initiated by her grandmother into a secret coven that's been going since the Christians took over the UK, or something--this was the first time she'd met her, so they didn't have much to talk about) at a party, and not since.
I'm not sure if it was some form of suggestion that made that happen, or what, but I know that I'm kind of open-minded to it, although a bit skeptical of it. Even if it is merely Jungian or suggestion, it's still interesting, and the cards are often kind of cute.
But, I dunno. Either way it doesn't have any effect on me.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Even in complete "nothingness", there is another type of energy...potential. Besides, I don't believe in "creation" since energy can neither be created, nor destroyed, only change form. Science, with all their seaching for the beginnings of life and the workings of the brain may yet come to realize that our very own "life force" or consciousness, is just another type of energy which follows under the same laws as all energy....can neither be created, nor destroyed, only change form. Therefore, science may very well one day prove there is such a thing possible as "life after death". The continuation of consciousness in an out of body state.
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Orias
Left Hand Path
What's the difference?
Ha, one takes and one gives. Think of it as a male and female, how could we survive if it was just all males (destruction) or all females (creation)? All things in the Universe are balanced, for there will always be a destruction to balance out the creation.
Example...
Stars supernovae, destroying other stars, planets, and life around them. But with the destruction of the star and all the things it destroyed with it, it creates a nebula where stars and planets come into existence.
But not with atomic bombs.
And atomic bombs is actually the example I was thinking of, if an atomic bomb goes off within a like a 100 foot radius of you, you will be turned to complete ash. Though even if it is farther away from you, you could still die.
But I know what you mean, atomic bombs make glass and put nasty chemicals in the air. Which is not good at all :no:.
Orias
Left Hand Path
I would agree with you, but consciousness dies with your body, with your brain. With no functions of the body to support the conscious it could not exist. The brain will still be a brain even if it is dead no doubt, but consciousness is just a dream in the void, for all things living do die.
It is true that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but it can change form, and in that sense, it can be changed into a vegitative state.
Potential energy is only potential energy if it has the potential to be energy, which dead humans do not
.Consciousness is lost with death, simple.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Orias
Left Hand Path
Guess we shall see.
Maybe, but death does not percieve. To be conscious is to be alive, and when you are dead, you are definitly not alive
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Maybe, but death does not percieve. To be conscious is to be alive, and when you are dead, you are definitly not alive
What is perception anyways? ...a "reaction" to stimulus. I see "consciousness" as just another form of action/reaction that all energy has. Even a simple rock has this action/reaction. I believe our own consciousness is no different from this...it allows us to give an action and a reaction to things that happen to us. That's about it. The only difference between us and a rock is that humans have these highly evolved brains/bodies that allow their energy to peform many more and very complex actions/reactions. I believe everything is conscious...all energy. I believe atoms are vibrational because even they are conscious...they react to other atoms, other energy, and change form. I don't believe that all energy has the same level of consciousness though....humans are evolved in such a way. When we leave this body, our consciousness/perceptions or ablity to act/react will change in some way, but it will not be destroyed because it is energy. That is just how I see things.
On a side note...maybe I already mentioned this. I don't believe in "life" or "death", only energy changing form. Heck, that's about all I believe in...Energy. I don't consider "consciousness" to be something mysteriously "created" in our brains. In fact, I dont believe in any kind of "creation" be it biblically or in our brains.
Every thought or impulse we have is either an action or reaction to some other energy...something that happened to us. That is why I believe it is all just energy, nothing more. I don't believe in "supernatural" or "magical" things, for if ghosts/spirits do indeed exist, then in my opinion, that is all they are too...another form of energy with their own unique way of acting/reacting/percieving. That would mean they are not "supernatural" or "magical", they are just another one of those natural unknowns. Perhaps I am even more of a "disbeliever" in things than even an atheist....
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Yes, there's destruction on one hand, and creation on the other, but destruction that "paves the way for creation" is creation from destruction. I'm not seeing a difference in #110, at least the way you've worded it. It still seems like a trans-form-ation, i.e. never lacking for a form.
Even the Web Ouija's right, every time!