McBell
Unbound
That is not what was said.
Not even close.
The fact is that the numbers you get from a fortune cookie have the exact same chance of winning as any other group of numbers.
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with divinity.
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For those who doubt the Ouija Board...
- Thread starter enchanted_one1975
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That is not what was said.
Not even close.
The fact is that the numbers you get from a fortune cookie have the exact same chance of winning as any other group of numbers.
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with divinity.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
I said it before an I dont know if its because when I was a little girl I did bloody Mary in the mirror or if its becasue I played with a quiga board one time..
There is a HAND under my bed..!!!!!
Love
Dallas
There is a HAND under my bed..!!!!!
Love
Dallas
enchanted_one1975
Resident Lycanthrope
blackout
Violet.
(to the human psyche)
What does not employ symbols?
Some of us like reading.
We all do not however all like reading the same material/s.
Every single thing we read is symbolisms employed.
Art generally reaches deep in
and draws out.
Some of us ENJOY the rich tactile experience
of the symbolic draw.
I enjoy the rich experience of my Tarot deck
in the same way that I enjoy the rich experience
of certain music that is relevant/revealant to me.
They both draw things of greater beauty & understanding
from the Source that is Me.
Literally everything and anything speaks to me of deeper things.
depending.
I would have to be DEAD
in order to not divine.
Life itself speaks to me.
I am not lame.
Life is not my crutch.
But can you tell whether it actually speaks to you, or whether it just reflects what you project toward it?
That's the thing for me: why not go directly to the source? And it seems to me that in the case of divination, the sources is most likely ourselves.
That also describes reality. Reality "reflects what you project toward it." Walk on water.
What's the source? (Hint: The source is you.)
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Actually, when you use the Ouija board, the board is not speaking to you, nor is it usually your subconscious speaking to you. It is the spirit itself that is replying to your questions via the use of the Ouija board and your body's channelled energy. To the spirits, they say the Ouija board is like an automatic typewiter...they tell it what they want it to say and it moves for them. I know this all sounds rather silly, but from a non-scientific point of view, this is exactly how it works. The movements of the Ouija board are not purely subconscious like science would have it. If the movements were purely subconscious, I don't think a person could have their mind so cluttered full of questions and thoughts all the while "subconcsiously" moving around a planchette and making it spell out actual full sentences and names and places. That would be just too much...like subconscious overload. No, there is something more behind the workings of the board. Our subconscience plays a role, yes, but there is more than subconcious movements at work in my opinion. Some spirits have been known to even cause the planchette itself to fly right off the board forcefully and hit walls and stuff...that is not merely subconcious...when only two people have but only the tips of their fingers lightly resting on it. There is some energy/force/spirits present all around us that science is oblivious to and ignore, but millions of people know it/them to be real. I don't blame anyone for not believeing this, it is not for everyone.
I tend to feel that things such as pendulums are more reliant on our subconscious to work.
I tend to feel that things such as pendulums are more reliant on our subconscious to work.
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If these energy/force/spirit things are capable of exerting the kind of force on the planchette that would be necessary to throw it across the room, then why are the people required at all?
Earlier you (I think it was you) suggested that the people were needed because the spirits couldn't manipulate the planchette directly. Now it seems like you're saying that sometimes, the planchette does things that the two people touching it couldn't possibly do themselves. Which is it? Do the spirits manipulate the thing or not?
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Thanks for the questions. For spirits to be able to move any physical object by their own energy is also extremely draining on their energy and can cause them to become very weak, which is why they prefer using a medium. Generally the way it works, the spirits use their energy channeled through our energy which also is directed into the planchette. This combined energy is capable of doing quite strange things. Most often a spirit will not have the energy itself to pull off something like making the planchette fly off the table, but some spirits are much more powerful than others.
As for why are the people required at all question... We are the ones asking the questions, are we not? They are simply doing us the service of answering our questions, otherwise they generally avoid contact with humans. Most (not all) of them tend to not care too much about the goings on of humans which they generally view as ignorant and selfish (which is not surprising)...at least several of the ones I've came across thought that way... They could care less about humans. As much as I don't blame humans for not believeing in them, nor do I blame them for disliking humans. BTW, sorry (I've been told
)....they are still human (albeit not in a fleshly sense), but they have the same emotions, likes and dislikes as we do, they just see things from a different perspective...
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How do you know this? Do you have actual evidence, or is this just supposition based on how you think the Ouija board works?
Something occurs to me: if you're right, and if it really is a matter of spirits channelling their energy through the person into the planchette, then it should work just as well if the people touching the planchette are blindfolded. Hmm.
I was specifically referring to the physical contact. I was wondering why the people would have to actually touch the planchette... though you responded to this question already.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
What I was describing was through personal experience with working with spirits and what my beliefs were regarding how these things work. You should know full well that no one can prove any of this or provide any evidence other than personal experience, so why even ask the question?
If it were one fault in my belief, it would be the fact that I cannot answer all of your questions. I simply don't understand how it all works myself, nor do I suspect anyone really does. Sorry to sidestep your questions, but I am just being honest...I don't know...but that doesn't mean that just because I don't have all the answers to your questions that my belief is wrong. Science doesn't have the answers to everything either.
If I were to come up with some theory as to why the blindfold thing might cause the Ouija board to not work properly, it would be this.... Ever try to type sentences into your computer keyboard blindfolded? Kinda hard isn't it? I believe the spirit's energy/intention/thought, is channeled through our subconscious...through our senses, utilizing our energy. The spirit's can only tell it what they want it to say, but as far as coming out as something we can read or understand, it has to go though our medium, through our senses. When our senses are distorted or altered, the message that the spirit was trying to convey also comes out distorted. But that's just my theory.
blackout
Violet.
When you say "spirits" Runewolf,
I'm just wondering what that means in your estimation?
Spirits of "dead" people?
Or some other kinds of spirits?
I'm also wondering what about your experience
has led you to this conclusion.
tks.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Spirits of dead people. When I drink too much (which is rare) other spirits come out.
My fiancee has a gift that very few people have...she can see spirits/ghosts of deceased persons...scars, missing limbs, blood and all that good stuff that goes along with seeing dead people. She see's them literally with her physical eyes and can talk to them, ask questions etc... They are very much drawn to her because even the spirits themselves find it quite unusual and interesting for a living human to see and acknowledge them. They usually come to her because they think she can help them. Sometimes she can, but not always. Most people are completely oblivious to their presence. I have recently discovered my own "gift". If I concentrate hard enough, I can see the exact same spirits that she does and even describe them to her in detail what clothes they are wearing, what they look like whether male or female, young or old, etc... I can "see" them with my mind's eye...I see them as a picture in my mind.
At first I was really skeptical. I thought I was just making it up in my head somehow, but then I tested that theory...
It was one day we were walking together up to the house I mentioned to her that I had noticed a presence in the house. She replied saying that she'd recalled seeing one also, but did not tell me what the spirit/ghost looked like, whether it was male or female, nor did she ever say anything about it before. I actually told her not to tell me anything right away...I wanted to test something. It was instantly I got an image in my head of a younger heavy-set man with reddish hair, wearing green pants and a red/black plaid shirt. I also pictured him playing with some sort of gold object, but I could not make out what exactly it was. Anyways, as part of my "test", I decided that before I said anything to my fiancee about it, I would first ask her what she had seen. I wanted to see for myself if my "vision", if you could call it that, measured up to what she had seen. Remarkably, she went on to describe a man in about his 20's, heavy set, green pants with a red/black plaid shirt and red hair. She also went on to describe that he had with him a gold pocket watch that he liked to swing around and play with lots. I believe she called him Thomas if I remember correctly.That was a big WHOA!! on my part.
This was a real eye-opener for me and since then I have had many more incidences of something similar happening. Sometimes my mind does play tricks on me though and she is sure enough to tell me when that's the case. I'll say there's one in the room and she says no, there's no one there, but one just left a little while ago. Stuff like that...I haven't quite perfected my "third eye sight" yet.
Anyways, through all this we have both been able to contact and communicate with several spirits...some she knows on a quite personal level. Some of which are very open about describing how things work on that side of the realm. I think she may even have more "dead" friends than living ones.
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I assume that when you were born, you didn't know what a Ouija board was. Between then and now, you've apparently gone to believing that they work. I'm just curious as to what it took to get you from the one position to the other.What I was describing was through personal experience with working with spirits and what my beliefs were regarding how these things work. You should know full well that no one can prove any of this or provide any evidence other than personal experience, so why even ask the question?
Almost as hard as typing words while not trying to type.
Actually, I'm a decent touch typist. I could probably get by blindfolded with only a few errors.
Wait... so if the spirits have no senses besides what they can get from their "medium", then how do they know to get involved in the whole Ouija thing in the first place?
However, the whole blindfold thing was only one example of what I was thinking about: one way to demonstrate that Ouija boards do what they're supposed to do is for them to give specific information that the participants would have had no way of knowing themselves. This could mean spelling out intelligible words and phrases while it's certain that the board isn't being guided by the people touching it (which is what I was trying to get at with the idea of a blindfold), but it could also mean providing specific points of information about subject matter the participants didn't know about, or about unforeseeable future events.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Psychodramatic effect? I am not going to judge, but from what I know, most people who witness 'supernatural' events are usually intoxicated or just simply wants to be scared, so they believe the noise they heard was a ghost or something.
There is a latin proverb- The world wants to be decieved so let it be decieved!
There is a latin proverb- The world wants to be decieved so let it be decieved!
blackout
Violet.
You could always have young children do it
who don't yet know how to spell.
And you could be there to read the results.
Does it really not work blindfolded?
I never tried.
If you did it blindfolded,
someone else would have to be there to read the results.
I don't even own an Ouija board actually. lol
As I said I much prefer tarot and pendulum dowsing.
who don't yet know how to spell.
And you could be there to read the results.
Does it really not work blindfolded?
I never tried.
If you did it blindfolded,
someone else would have to be there to read the results.
I don't even own an Ouija board actually. lol
As I said I much prefer tarot and pendulum dowsing.
Yeah, that might be worth trying.You could always have young children do it
who don't yet know how to spell.
And you could be there to read the results.
Yeah, but as long as you could be sure that this person wasn't communicating with the people touching the planchette, it shouldn't affect the results.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
The spirits indeed have some of their own senses... From what I've been told, they can see, they can hear, but they can't touch, taste, or smell. I think things change though when they are going through us, using our energy, they are also "borrowing" our senses in a way.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
That is true in a lot of cases... But there are also some people who aren't just drunk fluffy bunnies going around in circles.:bunny: I knew some people like that though. They were quite nuts...thinking every little thing that happened was some "supernatural" event. There are always exceptions to the case. I happen to have a pretty good head on my shoulders...like I said, I was a skeptic before as well. Now I am more of a believer in certain things, but still very skeptic about some things. I don't believe in God or gods for one. I don't believe in leprechauns and fairies and angels...your know, all that "fluffy bunny" stuff. I do however, believe there are other energies out there, other forces that science does not recognize, but I believe they are naturally existing. If there is such thing as a spirit world, I don't believe it is "supernatural" or "magical", or "divine", it is just different.