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Did you read my thread about "A Personal View About Visions?" Read it. I explain a lot there about dreams and visions. Everything is possible in dreams and visions. The talk of Abraham with God was a vision or lucid dream. The case of Betel was a dream. The problem with all of you guys is that you want to interpret everything in the Bible literally. That's why you get trapped in a lot aof contradictions.
Ben
No! absolutely not true with me!! I do not interpret the Word literally. I interpret or compare spiritual with spiritual. I let the Word interpret itself. This is what God has instructed man to do with His Word both in the OT and NT. I do not add or take away scripture unlike some..Uh hmm. I do not make an assumption that somthing is a vision IF IT DOESNT DIRECTLY SAY OR EVEN INDICATE THIS IN HIS WORD... uh hmm. I follow a strict set of Truths that God has given in His Word and I follow.
GOD DOES NOT LIE!
Lets go through just one major point here about God and His work. Now Im assuming that we accept the fact that there is a God. But first you have to accept that there is a creation and there is a Creator of the creation. Im assuming that we all believe that there is a God of the creation.
Ill ask the question here, does God lie? I want to give you this verse in the Concordant in Titus, because it really is worded properly.
Titus 1:2 in expectation of life eonian, which God,
Who does not lie, promises before times eonian, (CLV)
The King James says, God, that cannot lie, But that is not what it means, thats not what it says. It doesnt say in the Greek that He cannot lie, it says does not. Its a negative, cant - dont. But its not that He cant, but He doesnt. God doesnt lie.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that He should lie;
1 Sam 15:29 And also the
Strength of Israel will not lie
That is in a capital, it is talking about God. This is a Truth! You got to hang onto that. Under no circumstances can you ever let go of that Truth, its paramount. If you believe that God lies, then you might as well throw your Bible away. You might as well throw your religion away.
This is paramount!
You say, well teach me something new Ray, teach me something I need to know. Teach me something the whole church (and world) doesnt know or believe. I AM. They DONT believe this. Thats why Im telling you, you must believe this.
G o d d o e s n o t l i e.
GODS WORD DOES NOT LIE!
John 17:17 Sanctify them through Thy truth:
Thy WORD is truth.
John 10:35
and the SCRIPTURE cannot be broken;
2 Tim 3:16
ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
So the Scripture are true. They are true and they cant be broken and they are written through the inspiration of God, who does not lie. Now have you got that point in your mind? Dont ever lose that. This is your salvation, when it comes to you understanding the Scriptures and/or teaching others to understand the Scriptures or exposing those who contradict themselves.
We can now apply this TRUTH to all Scriptures. With just that Truth we can confound the mighty of this world and Ill show you how to do it. This is not going to be a difficult study. But it is going to be maybe one of the most profound studies Ive ever given.
SEVEN [7] FOUNDATIONAL SCRIPTURES
Now I going to give you 7 Scriptures that talks about really important things and I have several that eludes to the salvation of the human race. Because what is more important than that? Whats more important to a human being than to think that God, since He brought us into existence, we will always be in existence. Even when we die He is going to bring us back. If He brought us here in the first place, then He can bring us back. This is not hard, not for God.
[1] 1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be
the Savior of the world.
I never forgot that Scripture. First time I saw that I memorized it and I never forgot it. I never had to look it up again, I knew where it was
1 John 4:14. And also 1 John 4:8
for God is love. Remember these.
[2] 1 Tim 2:4 God our Savior;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Youre got to believe that. Maybe you should cut these out and stick them in your Bible or something.
[3] 1 Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach,
because we trust in the living GOD, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe.
Phil 2:13 For it is GOD which works in you
both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Do you see free will in there any place? Who is it that brings about what is your will and what you will do? GOD!
[4] 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is
NOT WILLING that ANY should perish (well how is He going to keep them from perishing?...), but that all should come to repentance.
Here is a negative thought - "not willing." Now this is the will of God and this is important. Gods will is that no one should perish
no one, not Adolf Hitler, not Osama Bin Laden, no one. But they all have to repent.
You say, well theyre already dead Ray. Thats right, but they are coming back in judgment and they have to repent. Why? Because God does not want them to perish.
Now we are going to see what theologians do with these verses and what you cant ever do with these verse. Because this is Truth, God does not will - Hes not willing - He does not want - He has no such desire - He takes no pleasure in any perishing. But He is going to have them all repent.
[5] Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning (speaking of God), and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying,
My counsel shall stand, and
I will do all My pleasure:
What an important verse. Now do you believe it? Can you believe it and will you continue to believe it? If there is anything in Gods Word where He says, this is what I want - this is what I desire - this is one of My pleasures - this is one of the things Im going to bring about
will it have to be brought about? Thats what God says, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure. I WILL do it. I mean you can bring in more Scripture, like the Lords prayer.
Luke 11:2
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.
Thy will BE done, as in heaven, so in earth.
"THY WILL BE DONE" see, no ifs ands or maybes. So when you have these people who say, well yeah, God kind of wishes that things would be better, they just are not. Nonsense.
[6] 1 John 4:8 He that loves not knows not God (why?...); for
God is love.
Very profound statement, its the Truth and youve got to believe it.
[7] 1 Cor 13:8
Love NEVER FAILS
You might kill the person who is doing the loving, but the love still isnt going to fail. "LOVE NEVER FAILS."
Therefore that is how you keep from misinterpreting, misconstruing, twisting etc etc His Word.
Now Ben, Do you want to deny these ABSOLUTE TRUTHS OF THE WORD RIGHT HERE? Of course you do! You dont like Paul, only accept 20% of the NT, and take the book of Job as not scripture but just a folk tale and then you make up a vision with Abraham. Come on now:foot::slap::thud:
