Gaza civilians killed at historic pace

[Twilight Hue]

You won't read this, but I'm going to post it anyway. Those who do read it might find themselves questioning who the terrorists are:

Israel's Savagery Is So Shocking It's Sometimes Hard To Take In

Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley):

www.caitlinjohnst.one

‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza

Permissive airstrikes on non-military targets and the use of an AI system have enabled the Israeli army to carry out its deadliest war on Gaza.

www.972mag.com

You do realize if thousands of rockets were not launched by Hamas, none of this would have ever happened.

 

[Orbit]

You do realize if thousands of rockets were not launched by Hamas, none of this would have ever happened.

This didn’t start on Oct 7th. Yes, Hamas is awful, but the question that seems forbidden to ask is “what made them so awful”?

As far as I can see both sides are awful and it feels like a situation where the adults need to step in and say “it doesn’t matter who started it, it’s time to start negotiating to end it”.

Endless revenge only continues the cycle of violence and mutual hate.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You do realize if thousands of rockets were not launched by Hamas, none of this would have ever happened.

You do realize that if Israel weren't illegally occupying and stealing (through settlements) Palestianian land and homes, kidnapping and imprisoning them, mass murdering them, destroying their homes, schools, hospitals, etc., they wouldn't be firing those rockets in the first place.

Also, the irony is that is Israel drops rockets on itself. There's many videos of malfunctioning Iron Dome interceptor rockets falling back into Israel, in residential areas. Oopsie.

 

[icehorse]

You do realize that if Israel weren't illegally occupying and stealing (through settlements) Palestianian land and homes, kidnapping and imprisoning them, mass murdering them, destroying their homes, schools, hospitals, etc., they wouldn't be firing those rockets in the first place.

Also, the irony is that is Israel drops rockets on itself. There's many videos of malfunctioning Iron Dome interceptor rockets falling back into Israel, in residential areas. Oopsie.

fwiw, I started a parallel thread to discuss just these sorts of ideas. I'm genuinely curious to know what context posters are using when they make claims that are strongly opinionated (either way), concerning this conflict. And to be clear, I don't have a secret answer I'm holding back,

 

[Revoltingest]

Only if they are proactively engaged in logistics and or are strapping explosives to themselves. Then they are justifiably combatants.

What percentage of killed & maimed Gazans
do you think were/are combatants?

 

[Revoltingest]

It's the facts. I definitely said that before.

Facts by themselves aren't the whole story.
Cromulent reasoning must be applied.

You support terrorism, then your a terrorist yourself. Expect to be treated as one.

This includes Israel's government.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yes, Hamas is awful, but the question that seems forbidden to ask is “what made them so awful”?

Oh my! Let me guess: Israel did it! (Hamas apologists are just so creative.)

Still, one is forced to wonder why it is so loved by the rest of the region. Perhaps it has something to do with Violent Activities.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh my! Let me guess: Israel did it! (Hamas apologists are just so creative.)

Do you really see no connection between Israel's
brutal treatment of & theft from Palestinians,
& the rise of violent opposition?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You support terrorism, then your a terrorist yourself. Expect to be treated as one.

What bs. Stop excusing murdering non-combants. Collective guilt is evil. I'm tired of old fogies talking like they're Rambo, safe in their armchair. This are real people we're talking about.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What bs. Stop excusing murdering non-combants. Collective guilt is evil. I'm tired of old fogies talking like they're Rambo, safe in their armchair. This are real people we're talking about.

Join the military like I did and we can talk about safe.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Join the military like I did and we can talk about safe.

I'm not allowed. You're not in the military now, though. You could have been sweeping floors for all I know. Anyway, your past military service is irrelevant to my point, which was about more than just you.

 

[libre]

You do realize if thousands of rockets were not launched by Hamas, none of this would have ever happened.

It's complete fantasy to expect a military occupation to be gracefully accepted by the colonized.
If you are willing to justify continuing the occupation and bombardment by citing terrorism, you can justify basically any military occupation.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's complete fantasy to expect a military occupation to be gracefully accepted by the colonized.

It's an ignorant fantasy to refer to Gaza as colonized (although it's absolutely true that Hamas was never gracefully accepted by those it controls).

 

[metis]

That does answer your question

Nope because solutions involve actions taken, and your posts don't contain any. So, to repeat, if your area was under assault by terrorists and missiles, how would you respond?

 

[Revoltingest]

It's complete fantasy to expect a military occupation to be gracefully accepted by the colonized.
If you are willing to justify continuing the occupation and bombardment by citing terrorism, you can justify basically any military occupation.

Which in turn justifies violent resistance,
which will be unconventional, eg, terrorism,
which Jews employed at Israel's formation.

 

[icehorse]

Which in turn justifies violent resistance,
which will be unconventional, eg, terrorism,
which Jews employed at Israel's formation.

context? specifically?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Nope because solutions involve actions taken, and your posts don't contain any. So, to repeat, if your area was under assault by terrorists and missiles, how would you respond?

Blame Israel?

 

[libre]

Nope because solutions involve actions taken, and your posts don't contain any. So, to repeat, if your area was under assault by terrorists and missiles, how would you respond?

If Canada was under assault by native terrorists from a First Nation's reserve, it would be an inappropriate response to cut off the water, access to food, bomb any hospitals (if the nation was one of the very few with Hospitals) because of the actions of some native criminals.

This is because Canada denies Indigenous nations from meaningful self-government outside of self-governing agreements that consider those nations to be subject to the crown.

Similarly Canada should be expected to look after native civilians as though they were Canadian civilians, because Canada denies the native civilians their own self-determination.

I do not believe for a moment that those Israeli strategists and politicians would be accepted if they were bombing Israeli schools and hospitals that Hamas was hiding in. The civilian deaths are acceptable because they are Gazan, who are being framed as the enemy.

How should Israel respond? By stop blatantly disregarding it's obligation to target terrorists and protect the civilians.

https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20231129_international_community_has_to_clarify_red_lines_israel_must_not_cross_again

 

[Lyndon]

Here is a good example of the inhumame treatment of Palestinian Prisoners by fascist prison guards

Released Palestinians allege abuse in Israeli jails

Palestinians tell the BBC they were beaten and had dogs set on them while in Israeli detention.

www.bbc.com

 

[Revoltingest]

Here is a good example of the inhumame treatment of Palestinian Prisoners by fascist prison guards

Released Palestinians allege abuse in Israeli jails

Palestinians tell the BBC they were beaten and had dogs set on them while in Israeli detention.

www.bbc.com

Seething hatred will inspire oppressors to behave that way.
A religion based upon violent scripture will enable it.