God is Female

[ThePainefulTruth]

Hi Folks..

Domenic; Thank You - and Im very glad Im making you think

Now - this is fun...If there were other gods, then there would be no need to spawn us..??....

Yes. And none of the hearsay mythology or "divine revelation" you quoted, or created yourself, changes any of that. "One god, THREE different 'truths', indeed!" If that were so then God would actually be at least two lies, and most probably three--with God being something real but completely different from any of these man-made creations.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

That assumes that the purpose for creating us as a species is for companionship; that is one possibility, but it is not the only possibility. Humans as food, workers, toys, pets, creative artists and accidents/unintended consequences of their creative efforts are among the possibilities.

All the things that companions do (surprise, delight, disappoint etc.) fall under the heading of companionship. And this universe is, ostensibly, just the laboratory or rehearsal stage meant to winnow out the chaff from those sentient creatures capable of handling free will in a more permanent gig.

On another tack, how do you know that we aren't the product of multiple gods multiplying themselves?

Going back to the beginning, there can only be one omnipotent God, by definition. Angels and devils are pure human embellishments--though each of us has his own angel and devil inside--symbolically speaking.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

All the things that companions do (surprise, delight, disappoint etc.) fall under the heading of companionship. And this universe is, ostensibly, just the laboratory or rehearsal stage meant to winnow out the chaff from those sentient creatures capable of handling free will in a more permanent gig.



Going back to the beginning, there can only be one omnipotent God, by definition.

So you are assuming the conclusion; the universe and this life could be a winnowing for those creatures who "taste" better or are more nutritious, or who are cuter, or make better pets...There is nothing in the nature of the universe or this life that would suggest which possibility is the correct one, if any of those that we can conceive of at all.

I don't think I agree with your definition of God. Any truly universal deity/ies are simply beyond human perception and comprehension: how would we know if it was one, or a whole group acting together? We can bandy terms about, but they are empty suppositions on our part. There is nothing that we can detect (so far at least) in the nature of the universe or our lives that suggests a single or multiple universal deities, and any evidences offered may support but do not prove such an assertion. Until we turn to the revelations of individual experience and established religions--and those are so varied to be questionable, at best.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

It seems everyone is assuming that we mortals are somehow SEPERATE from this god..lol...Like - it created us, but no way could it ever actually BE us - lol - and Im laughing because this is again COMPLETE OPPOSITE to that which Christ told us directly....Now I see why He is always amused by us...

PainfulTruth;

"One god, THREE different 'truths', indeed!" If that were so then God would actually be at least two lies, and most probably three--with God being something real but completely different from any of these man-made creations.

Im very sorry but it IS a painiful truth indeed - but I assure you HE said it all - do you require evidence,,?..I have scripture if you need - but alas - not that later twisted religious stuff - but the original truth spoken directly Christ to Disciple..And yes of course this god DID present itself THREE WAYS.....First and foremost, to the Jews - then of course to the "religious christians" who would come much much later AFTER Christ - then again some 600 years later this same god supposedly sends its Angels - Gabriel to be precise - to a new "prophet" Mohamed, where Gabriel, chief messenger of YAHWEH, says "naa, gods changed its name again, call it Allah now - but look, it is the same god, and you will honour the same PREVIOUS PROPHETS and you Mohamed are the next - only god changed the rules now and here I have a NEW HOLY BOOK for you to REPLACE that old Jewish and christian stuff for YOU ISLAM are now the NEW COVENANT "......And of course ISLAM is born, same god - DIFFERENT TRUTH...Then of course, this god tells one lot religious christians - "go kill the heathen muslim" - then it tells the muslim - "go kill the infidel christian" - and lo and behold, calamity and catastrophe follow ALWAYS..

Jews THOUGHT they knew this One as truth - then CHRIST CAME - said this one was the WRONG one - not a god but an Angel - some Jews BELIEVED Him - followed Him - became TRUE CHRISTIANS who UNDERSTOOD Him - some others AFTER HE RESURRECTED, decided THEN that He must be legitimate, and so in the next few years Jewish once stable religion became fractured into a HUNDRED PLUS different versions of Christ truth - mixed in with their traditional Jewish truth of course - for they did NOT LISTEN to HIM until AFTER He had been murdered, and so then had only secondhand twisted versions, to form their own beliefs on...Only those who trusted Him IN LIFE,who followed Him intimately - there was hundreds - knew His intimate truth - AND THEY WROTE IT DOWN FOR US !!

The old Jewish tradition was soon in direct competiton for control of their own society with over a HUNDRED newly formed sects and religions - and immediately infighting, power struggles, open fighting began...Continued for another 300 plus years - Rome steps in finally and literally MAKES THEM CONFORM, and DICTATES to them a STANDARD and therefore CATHOLIC religion - then as we know Rome use that pretense to dominate all they could and destroy all truth except THEIR truth...

So the god already has then TWO version of truth - Jewish and FALSE christian religion,which is really a splintered twisted Jewish truth with same priesthood worshipping exact same god Yahweh...And next there is CHRIST and HIS FOLLOWERS - stuck in the middle of all this RELIGIOUS CONFUSION that they themselves have NO PART IN - who are continually hunted down and killed for THEIR truth - because simply that truth WAS as said - the god they all thought supreme was the WRONG god, only an Angel - Christ said it plainly and they killed Him for it..Wise up..

So, cover blown now credance lost with a great portion of its first nation - Jews faith and blind obediance shattered - you do All realise right..?...When Christ came - ALREADY - the god Yahweh had STOPPED speaking directly to the Jews..Its last active Prophet was a man named Malachi who lived some 400 years BEFORE Christ - Yahweh told Malachi he would be the LAST Jewish prophet until the MESSIAH came - and NOBODY was speaking DIRECTLY to that god or has ever since ONLY TO ITS ANGELS - check it out - truth - I can tell you for sure Yahweh exited stage left so to speak - end of story for Him - Christ came to ASSUME AUTHORITY and Yahweh knew that fully and was preparing for it to happen - so the god - or I have to say Im led to believe it is the gods own Angels most probably - its AGENTS HERE, the Angels and priesthood - turns its attention to claiming back all those shattered parts of the Jewish faith - all those SOULS that Christ took away directly or indirectly - and sets about forming that catholic church, false Christian religion that is ACTUALLY just the same god Yahweh and same priesthood dictating everything....

EXCEPT - the LEGITIMATE truth of Christ SIMPLY WOULD NOT BE DESTROYED..Despite Romes ongoing military crusades - despite church hunting down torturing killing thousands who knew legitimate spiritual truth - still, SOME had Divine guidance, hid their truth for later times such as NOW this modern age when it is DESPERATELY NEEDED....

Unable to destroy Christ truth - the god who already abandoned the Jews, turns attention also from the catholic church as the MILITARY element had full dominance so the church was MOVED as said and the same plan put into affect in the neighbouring lands - go to an ENTIRELY NEW NATION - SAME ANGELS, same previous prophets, same "god" - STARTS ISLAM - then as said pits one against the other CONTINUOUSLY, for what can only be seen as its own sadistic pleasure...Keep us busy fighting ourselves - then we wont notice the REAL ENEMY !!

Christ came and taught of a TRUE legitimate fully Divine Being that He said ADAMANTLY no Soul in this realm had EVER encountered.,I offer the following ORIGINAL testimony,claimed by disciples DIRECTLY - from Thomas, Christ told him :

17. "I will give you what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, what no hand has touched, what has not arisen in the human heart."

NO HUMAN EVER KNEW THIS TRUTH BEFORE - and see - they ALL know Yahweh fully - this LEGITMATE Divine then CANNOT be Yahweh...need more..?..He is even more explicit to Judas :

“[Come], that I may teach you about secrets no person has ever seen. For
there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen,in which there is a great invisible Spirit, which no eye of an angel has ever seen, no thought of the heart has ever comprehended, and it was never called by any name.“

Let it sink in deep - ORIGINAL FIRST HAND DIRECT TESTIMONY - there ACTUALLY EXISTS He said - a realm and a great spirit that no god or Angel HERE had any prior knowledge about...the god of the religion - THREE religions - is the WRONG GOD entirely - just an Angel He warned that is DECEIVING you...For those with ears to hear..

 

[The_Fisher_King]

They would just multiply themselves and have all the companionship they wanted, and it would be the companionship of equals.

There's at least four assumptions here: that they would just multiply themselves, that that would give them all the companionship they wanted, that it would be the companionship of equals, and that they would even want companionship, and you seem to be implying a fifth, that the universe was created to spawn us for Divine companionship.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

So you are assuming the conclusion; the universe and this life could be a winnowing for those creatures who "taste" better or are more nutritious, or who are cuter, or make better pets...There is nothing in the nature of the universe or this life that would suggest which possibility is the correct one, if any of those that we can conceive of at all.

The only possible reason God would have created the universe, was to spawn self-aware creatures with free will, which requires that there be no evidence for God's existence available. The last part is the hardest part to understand, primarily because people think God interacts and can't imagine one that doesn't (or ignore It to make their arguments against God easier). Even most atheists think that way. Without having to worry about being detected, God could create anything instantly--most nutritious, whatever. And being essentially all knowing, It would know what was tastiest anyway.

I don't think I agree with your definition of God. Any truly universal deity/ies are simply beyond human perception and comprehension: how would we know if it was one, or a whole group acting together?

Asked and answered.

We can bandy terms about, but they are empty suppositions on our part. There is nothing that we can detect (so far at least) in the nature of the universe or our lives that suggests a single or multiple universal deities, and any evidences offered may support but do not prove such an assertion. Until we turn to the revelations of individual experience and established religions--and those are so varied to be questionable, at best.

We only speculate about possibilities, and given the facts, there are only two possibilities for how the universe came to be: spontaneous creation, or an essentially omnipotent, laissez-faire, sentient power. If you can think of a third, I'd love to hear it. And no, pink unicorns and all the other red herrings are simply straw men, just another name for God.

We can dismiss out-of-hand, all pure hearsay based, revealed religions--which they all are, even Buddhism--Buddha loaded us up with revelations, he just claimed they came to him in visions, dreams, trances or whatever.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

There's at least four assumptions here: that they would just multiply themselves, that that would give them all the companionship they wanted, that it would be the companionship of equals, and that they would even want companionship, and you seem to be implying a fifth, that the universe was created to spawn us for Divine companionship.

The latter isn't an assumption, is a speculation based on one of two possibilities for the creation of the universe. The rest can be dismissed when we realize that a God powerful enough to create the universe must be omnipotent. And there can only be one omnipotent God, by definition.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

The latter isn't an assumption, is a speculation based on one of two possibilities for the creation of the universe. The rest can be dismissed when we realize that a God powerful enough to create the universe must be omnipotent. And there can only be one omnipotent God, by definition.

I fear we're going to start to loop on this (from other thread), so think I'll leave this here

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

The only possible reason God would have created the universe, was to spawn self-aware creatures with free will, which requires that there be no evidence for God's existence available. The last part is the hardest part to understand, primarily because people think God interacts and can't imagine one that doesn't (or ignore It to make their arguments against God easier). Even most atheists think that way. Without having to worry about being detected, God could create anything instantly--most nutritious, whatever. And being essentially all knowing, It would know what was tastiest anyway.


Asked and answered.



We only speculate about possibilities, and given the facts, there are only two possibilities for how the universe came to be: spontaneous creation, or an essentially omnipotent, laissez-faire, sentient power. If you can think of a third, I'd love to hear it. And no, pink unicorns and all the other red herrings are simply straw men, just another name for God.

We can dismiss out-of-hand, all pure hearsay based, revealed religions--which they all are, even Buddhism--Buddha loaded us up with revelations, he just claimed they came to him in visions, dreams, trances or whatever.

You again presuppose existence is about US. We could be an unintended side effect in someone's attempt to manufacture singularities...yeah, I know, no Omni-everything God could have an unintended side effect...ergo, It Must Really Be All About US!

Sorry, failed logic. Existence does not imply nor require the either/or dichotomy you propose--there are plenty of alternatives that can include intention but not include omnimax deity or deities, or not include intention, yet have deity/ies influence the outcomes. Sorry if you cannot conceive of such.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

You again presuppose existence is about US. We could be an unintended side effect in someone's attempt to manufacture singularities...yeah, I know, no Omni-everything God could have an unintended side effect...ergo, It Must Really Be All About US!

ONLY if there actually is a God. And if there is, I wouldn't say it's ALL about us. There are 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe times however many earth like planets per galaxy, equals 279 septapjillion such planets,

Sorry failed logic. Existence does not imply nor require the either/or dichotomy you propose--there are plenty of alternatives that can include intention but not include omnimax deity or deities, or not include intention, yet have deity/ies influence the outcomes. Sorry if you cannot conceive of such.

If there was no intention, then it's essentially the atheistic scenario, which creation could have caused any number of superior being to us by now, which we might cause gods, but aren't.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

ONLY if there actually is a God. And if there is, I wouldn't say it's ALL about us. There are 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe times however many earth like planets per galaxy, equals 279 septapjillion such planets,



If there was no intention, then it's essentially the atheistic scenario, which creation could have caused any number of superior being to us by now, which we might cause gods, but aren't.

I still see no imperative, should an omnimax creator exist, that would imply that:

The only possible reason God would have created the universe, was to spawn self-aware creatures with free will

Such an assertion implies that God could not have any other intentions or purposes--the ONLY purpose is sentient beings, like us: ergo, it's about us as sentient beings. And you have not demonstrated your assertion that aside from natural but unknown processes, ONLY an omnimax deity could have caused the universe to be. Nor have you demonstrated that any superior beings are not gods, except by you exclusive and exclusionary definition.

Tell me, how are you going to tell the difference between an entity that is the actual omnimax creator of the entire universe, or one who is essentially omni-everything within the visible cosmic horizon? Or even just within the Galaxy?

And, has it occurred to you that it is not us, but our descendants many millions or billions of years from now that such a deity might be interested in? Has it occurred to you that humans and similar sentient beings simply aren't even potentially on par with a deity that is omni everything in a volume with a radius of (at a minimum, given the constraints on our measure of the geometry of space) 90 trillion lightyears? Has it occurred to you that such a deity created the universe to cause us because we taste good when we exercise free will? Or maybe we don't taste good when we practice free will, so that's why some people are sent to fire?

I just don't get where you certainty comes from...

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

ThePainfulTruth;

The rest can be dismissed when we realize that a God powerful enough to create the universe must be omnipotent. And there can only be one omnipotent God, by definition.

Thats very true - but the issue of one god or many gods - is EASILY understood, as explained above - one OMNIPOTANT SOURCE - but creation is a LAYERED HEIRACHY with many many MANY individualised creations...each individualised section of creation has its own specific and UNIQUE Creator (a god in mortal terms) - for as said it is a HEIRACHY - much like a "coorporation" or big business comglomarate...Not at all hard to understand, we see such arrangements all around us every day...

So - ONE SOURCE - one creation process - but many many SOULS that then EMPLOY that process for their OWN DESIRES....CLOSER to Source, far more potant,as they approach full omnipotance - further from source, low down the spiritual heirachy, the process is harder to master..Much like a factory floor worker has NO IDEA AT ALL about how to RUN the WHOLE COMPANY, but is very very good at his own UNIQUE and ASSIGNED station......Understand..?...Both basic factory worker AND big boss chief executive at the top - BOTH REPRESENT the same ENTITY - both are a direct CONSTITUENT PART of the SAME ENTITY - both are VITAL and INTEGRAL to the CONCEPT of that entity...Understand..?.....

Similar - individual Souls HERE mortal world - all the way "up" the heirachy to eternal Soul - semi diviine and FULL DIVINE (many layers but im keeping it simple) - all comprise the ONE SINGLE ENTITY that is the SOURCE of creation...Its all MIND - Self dividing and Self creating to bring Self understanding...ALL ONE ENTITY - with many many MANY "individual personalities"...Check out OUR OWN MIND - for as said - we ARE and always were, a part of that ORIGINAL condition..

Painful - you seem to be basing a lot of your version of god, on the bible version of god - and I have already shown you above beyond dispute really, that would be entirely the wrong god - according to Christ - and as we can see - that god simply is nowhere near this "omnipotance" that we seek...Indeed - according to Christ directly - this truly Omnipotant Spirit - MIND - has NEVER been encountered by ANY mortal man - nor even the higher forms that we thougt of as god or divine above us, they neither know this PRIMAL spirit He said as THIS ENTIRE CREATION was once SEPERATE ISOLATED..That means that although mankind can talk about it, wonder about it speculate about it - but still NONE OF US can even APPROACH its truth while STILL MORTAL - and we will NEVER encounter it until we leave these low realms far far behind us and progress that heorachy back ot SOURCE.....NOT EVEN BUDDHA who many believe achieved some kind of ultimate enlightenment - but realise if what Christ said is true, this cannot be - Buddha took his mind and achieved the ultimate in MORTAL AWARENESS perhaps - but to approach that other greater realm where the Source and TRUE Divine are to be found, REQUIRES the mortal form to DIE and release its essence FULLY..All our s called wisdom is ocming FULLy form within this SELF CONTAINED creation - but that is not the TRUTH of the ENTIRE creation - ergo, we cannot know this Omnipotant spirit at all, from within this confining and severely limited mortal form..

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I still see no imperative, should an omnimax creator exist, that would imply that:

Such an assertion implies that God could not have any other intentions or purposes--the ONLY purpose is sentient beings, like us: ergo, it's about us as sentient beings. And you have not demonstrated your assertion that aside from natural but unknown processes, ONLY an omnimax deity could have caused the universe to be. Nor have you demonstrated that any superior beings are not gods, except by you exclusive and exclusionary definition.

An Omnimax, as you put it, deity, would know the results of what It did before It did it. And being omnimax in a timeless environment, it would get bored "instantly", so to speak. It could create a heavenly host of angels, singing and dancing on the strings It had suspended them from; but It would know (being omnimax) that It was only entertaining Itself. If you can think of a solution to this situation besides creating beings with free will, I really would love to hear it, and I'll be the first to sing your praises all the way to the grave if you actually came up with one.

Tell me, how are you going to tell the difference between an entity that is the actual omnimax creator of the entire universe, or one who is essentially omni-everything within the visible cosmic horizon? Or even just within the Galaxy?

An omnipotent God, of which there can only be one due to the definition of omnipotence, would necessarily be the God of all that is. If there were another god in another galaxy, neither would be omnipotent, because the existence of one would negate the omnipotence of the other, and vice versa.

And, has it occurred to you that it is not us, but our descendants many millions or billions of years from now that such a deity might be interested in? Has it occurred to you that humans and similar sentient beings simply aren't even potentially on par with a deity that is omni everything in a volume with a radius of (at a minimum, given the constraints on our measure of the geometry of space) 90 trillion lightyears?

Remember, God, if It exists, is in the timeless environment "outside" the universe where quantum transactions take place. So 90 trillion years is no different than a 90 trillionth of a second. And I was raised, nay indoctrinated, to believe that we were not on a par with the God who works in mysterious ways, that we can never hope to understand. But then I remembered, from my indoctrination, that we were made in God's image. Physical image? No, we must have some spiritual quality in common with God--not because the Bible said so (mythology y'know), but because God must certainly have it, if It exists. That quality could only be the source of our knowledge of good and evil, our full self-awareness.

Has it occurred to you that such a deity created the universe to cause us because we taste good when we exercise free will? Or maybe we don't taste good when we practice free will, so that's why some people are sent to fire?

We would then be nothing but shallow, empty calories. But I'm sure even you know the absurd level to which all that would take this discussion. God may need sustenance, but sustenance for what we would call our soul--not a bottomless bucket of fried chicken with an infinite variety of flavors supplied a quickly as they were imagined.

I just don't get where you certainty comes from...

A lot of people have a hang up with that. All I can say is I see a lot of pieces to the Big Picture, which is coalescing as I think and re-think things. I'm a linear thinker, which some people consider an insult or an indication of sup-par intelligence, but that allows me to see how I got to where I'm at. I think the world needs both linear and intuitive thinkers, working in tandem. Without my kind, we have the multiplicity religions based on blind faith. And besides, all this falls under an agnostic umbrella which takes us back to the most impenetrable uncertainty of all.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Painful - you seem to be basing a lot of your version of god, on the bible version of god - and I have already shown you above beyond dispute really, that would be entirely the wrong god - according to Christ -

I think there is some wisdom in the Bible, but also a good bit of evil--none greater than the idea that someone else can die in place of your repentance--an idea embodied in that word, Christ. That word, and "scripture", make my skin crawl.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

The Painful Truth; Oh yer I HEAR that loud and clear...I agree 100% - which is why I make a point of giving His proper mortal name - Yeshua - as opposed to "bible scripture fictional Jesus" - and why I explain the Christ in purely Divine metaphysical terms and not as a mortal man teaching others - but the MIND that caused Creation - how it came to be here among us and more importantly, how we too can get to know THAT source..

Christ didnt write ANY scripture ')

 

[arthra]

The One who brings forth life. Woman is the only species who can bring forth life, therefore woman is God. Men cannot bring forth life, so God cannot be male.

For Baha'is the essence of God is unknown.. and we generally use a male pronoun when referring to God because of the accident of language.. We don't see God as being inherently male or female.

In reality, God has created all mankind, and in the estimation of God there is no distinction as to male and female. The one whose heart is pure is acceptable in His sight, be that one man or woman. God does not inquire, "Art thou woman or art thou man?" He judges human actions. If these are acceptable in the threshold of the Glorious One, man and woman will be equally recognized and rewarded.

(Compilations, The Compilation of Compilations vol II, p. 364)

 

[JoStories]

God, as I envision It, would not do evil, period.

Why? Why would God, if God is omnipotent, be unable to do evil, although, admittedly, I do not believe in evil. If God is all and everything, why would God not be able to do whatever God wanted to do? You limit God by this statement, IMO.

 

[JoStories]

Animals don't have moral free will or an intellect equal to ours (speaking for myself anyway), dogs (and a few cats) are the only ones that are decent companion animals, they're still pets after all, who said anything about killing them--though of course we do eat many of them, we're limited by our mortality, and I, like most humans, prefer sex with my own species (again, speaking for myself)--and the proposition of orgiastic sex with limitless numbers of like spirit beings in a timeless environment does sound appealing.

You are very wrong about just dogs and cats. Pigs can be great pets, as I know or have known many with pet pigs. Horses can be as well, particularly the smaller breeds. Birds, particularly larger breeds can be. And so on.

 

[JoStories]

For Baha'is the essence of God is unknown.. and we generally use a male pronoun when referring to God because of the accident of language.. We don't see God as being inherently male or female.

In reality, God has created all mankind, and in the estimation of God there is no distinction as to male and female. The one whose heart is pure is acceptable in His sight, be that one man or woman. God does not inquire, "Art thou woman or art thou man?" He judges human actions. If these are acceptable in the threshold of the Glorious One, man and woman will be equally recognized and rewarded.

(Compilations, The Compilation of Compilations vol II, p. 364)

I totally agree. As a Buddhist, I have a similar take on God and what God is. There is no gender, nor form or any human attributes. God simply is and IMO, is an energy conscience.

 

[JoStories]

Hi Folks...

It seems everyone is assuming that we mortals are somehow SEPERATE from this god..lol...Like - it created us, but no way could it ever actually BE us - lol - and Im laughing because this is again COMPLETE OPPOSITE to that which Christ told us directly....Now I see why He is always amused by us...

PainfulTruth;

Im very sorry but it IS a painiful truth indeed - but I assure you HE said it all - do you require evidence,,?..I have scripture if you need - but alas - not that later twisted religious stuff - but the original truth spoken directly Christ to Disciple..And yes of course this god DID present itself THREE WAYS.....First and foremost, to the Jews - then of course to the "religious christians" who would come much much later AFTER Christ - then again some 600 years later this same god supposedly sends its Angels - Gabriel to be precise - to a new "prophet" Mohamed, where Gabriel, chief messenger of YAHWEH, says "naa, gods changed its name again, call it Allah now - but look, it is the same god, and you will honour the same PREVIOUS PROPHETS and you Mohamed are the next - only god changed the rules now and here I have a NEW HOLY BOOK for you to REPLACE that old Jewish and christian stuff for YOU ISLAM are now the NEW COVENANT "......And of course ISLAM is born, same god - DIFFERENT TRUTH...Then of course, this god tells one lot religious christians - "go kill the heathen muslim" - then it tells the muslim - "go kill the infidel christian" - and lo and behold, calamity and catastrophe follow ALWAYS..

Jews THOUGHT they knew this One as truth - then CHRIST CAME - said this one was the WRONG one - not a god but an Angel - some Jews BELIEVED Him - followed Him - became TRUE CHRISTIANS who UNDERSTOOD Him - some others AFTER HE RESURRECTED, decided THEN that He must be legitimate, and so in the next few years Jewish once stable religion became fractured into a HUNDRED PLUS different versions of Christ truth - mixed in with their traditional Jewish truth of course - for they did NOT LISTEN to HIM until AFTER He had been murdered, and so then had only secondhand twisted versions, to form their own beliefs on...Only those who trusted Him IN LIFE,who followed Him intimately - there was hundreds - knew His intimate truth - AND THEY WROTE IT DOWN FOR US !!

The old Jewish tradition was soon in direct competiton for control of their own society with over a HUNDRED newly formed sects and religions - and immediately infighting, power struggles, open fighting began...Continued for another 300 plus years - Rome steps in finally and literally MAKES THEM CONFORM, and DICTATES to them a STANDARD and therefore CATHOLIC religion - then as we know Rome use that pretense to dominate all they could and destroy all truth except THEIR truth...

So the god already has then TWO version of truth - Jewish and FALSE christian religion,which is really a splintered twisted Jewish truth with same priesthood worshipping exact same god Yahweh...And next there is CHRIST and HIS FOLLOWERS - stuck in the middle of all this RELIGIOUS CONFUSION that they themselves have NO PART IN - who are continually hunted down and killed for THEIR truth - because simply that truth WAS as said - the god they all thought supreme was the WRONG god, only an Angel - Christ said it plainly and they killed Him for it..Wise up..

So, cover blown now credance lost with a great portion of its first nation - Jews faith and blind obediance shattered - you do All realise right..?...When Christ came - ALREADY - the god Yahweh had STOPPED speaking directly to the Jews..Its last active Prophet was a man named Malachi who lived some 400 years BEFORE Christ - Yahweh told Malachi he would be the LAST Jewish prophet until the MESSIAH came - and NOBODY was speaking DIRECTLY to that god or has ever since ONLY TO ITS ANGELS - check it out - truth - I can tell you for sure Yahweh exited stage left so to speak - end of story for Him - Christ came to ASSUME AUTHORITY and Yahweh knew that fully and was preparing for it to happen - so the god - or I have to say Im led to believe it is the gods own Angels most probably - its AGENTS HERE, the Angels and priesthood - turns its attention to claiming back all those shattered parts of the Jewish faith - all those SOULS that Christ took away directly or indirectly - and sets about forming that catholic church, false Christian religion that is ACTUALLY just the same god Yahweh and same priesthood dictating everything....

EXCEPT - the LEGITIMATE truth of Christ SIMPLY WOULD NOT BE DESTROYED..Despite Romes ongoing military crusades - despite church hunting down torturing killing thousands who knew legitimate spiritual truth - still, SOME had Divine guidance, hid their truth for later times such as NOW this modern age when it is DESPERATELY NEEDED....

Unable to destroy Christ truth - the god who already abandoned the Jews, turns attention also from the catholic church as the MILITARY element had full dominance so the church was MOVED as said and the same plan put into affect in the neighbouring lands - go to an ENTIRELY NEW NATION - SAME ANGELS, same previous prophets, same "god" - STARTS ISLAM - then as said pits one against the other CONTINUOUSLY, for what can only be seen as its own sadistic pleasure...Keep us busy fighting ourselves - then we wont notice the REAL ENEMY !!

Christ came and taught of a TRUE legitimate fully Divine Being that He said ADAMANTLY no Soul in this realm had EVER encountered.,I offer the following ORIGINAL testimony,claimed by disciples DIRECTLY - from Thomas, Christ told him :



NO HUMAN EVER KNEW THIS TRUTH BEFORE - and see - they ALL know Yahweh fully - this LEGITMATE Divine then CANNOT be Yahweh...need more..?..He is even more explicit to Judas :



Let it sink in deep - ORIGINAL FIRST HAND DIRECT TESTIMONY - there ACTUALLY EXISTS He said - a realm and a great spirit that no god or Angel HERE had any prior knowledge about...the god of the religion - THREE religions - is the WRONG GOD entirely - just an Angel He warned that is DECEIVING you...For those with ears to hear..

Your overly long and rudely worded rhetoric in these posts, most of which I don't read and others that I just scan, are YOUR opinion. You use capitals to emphasize nothing more than your opinion. There is no original first hand direct testimony. There is only opinion and this I state as a PhD level theologian. So I would ask you two things. 1. Stop shouting some words and this font is for my own sake for matters of legal blindness not to shout. 2. Stop trying to convince the forum that only your views are the correct ones as you don't know that, as much as you tout on about that, and that others, such as myself, being Buddhist, might have part of the answer as well. Lord have mercy, I hate blowhards.