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God's Omniscience versus Free Will
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
That is similar to an electrical wire sending a signal to the speaker.
The speech is already traveling on the wire before it arrived to the speaker to be re-interpreted again to a physical vibration which will produce the sound.
So the sound is already known before it reachs the speaker.
waitasec
Veteran Member
you are moving goal posts...you said god is GOING to know before anything is said...because he knows intentions...intentions change instantaneously too you know...is god presumptuous too?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
if your intention changed in the last second,then your words on your tongue will be changed instantaneously and god have a knowledge in the on going changes in your intentions till the moment you decided to make it as a sound,god have full knoweledge on what is going right now on your thoughts and intentions second by second,but not what i am going to say after one month.
Hope it is clear to you now,if not,then you're entitled to your opinion.
waitasec
Veteran Member
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Our knowledge is limited to ourselves,we don't know what the others are thinking right now or what is their intentions.our knowledge is limited.
waitasec
Veteran Member
as is gods...right?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
waitasec
Veteran Member
because god is the subject matter of the thread...
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes,but why not god,you said gods,and if gods,then how many are they in your opinion,100,1000,millions,unlimited number of gods and what makes youn think so in logic means or how it make sense to you.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
No,my knoweledge and yours will stop once we die,but god's knowledge will stop and be limited if he'll die,but god is for eternity,so how his knowledge will stop and be limited.
waitasec
Veteran Member
you are not answering the question...
i'll put it to you like this
god apparently doesn't know more than we do right now.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Do we know how many women are pregnant at this moment and what are the gender inside each womb for all those women on earth.
if your answer is yes we could know now and at this moment,then my answer will be yes god doesn't know more than we do,but if your answer no,we couldn't,then my answer will be god does know more than we do and his knowledge is incomparable to ours
waitasec
Veteran Member
we are talking about free will are we not? so again...god is limited in his knowledge of our free will until after the fact, just like us...right?
are you afraid to commit to a yes or a no answer?
sure looks like it....
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
i agree,god won't know what i am going to do by tomorrow,will i commit an adultery,will i lie,will i oppress someone or will i help a poor family,will i help a blind person to cross the street..etc.
if god will know all such future things then there is no need for us to live on earth for the test,we have to go directly to heaven or hell and that make no sense.
No,of course not
But i may misunderstood your questions which are really good ones.
waitasec
Veteran Member
well that was easyNo,of course not
i guess i am having trouble understanding how "god", can be understood to not know what our future choices are going to be when in the quran and the bible says he does...
but then again...if you do not adhere to these traditions then i will concede to your point, because after all it is your point of view that makes the most sense to you...
Skwim
Veteran Member
FearGod,
In one of your earlier posts (#68) you said
Please note that you've put his knowledge in the future tense.
In one of your earlier posts (#68) you said
FearGod said:
Please note that you've put his knowledge in the future tense.
"where it [will] be raining and where there will be drought and so on."
This denotes that he knows the future. However, now you say,
From how I understand this, either there's a contradiction here, or god actively controls everything that happens in nature. For instance, he now knows that he is going to make it rain for 18 ¾ minutes on the north side of Chicago on September 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM, and will create a drought that will devastate Niger and Chad in Africa in the summer of 2017. Is this how you see god and the workings of weather?
Friend of Bill W
Member
There is no such thing as 'free will' anyway. Have a look to neuroscience to see what it says regarding the subject of 'free will'.
I mean all our choices stem from our brain structure/states and experiences, and we have neither control of our genetic heritage nor our experiences.
We may feel like we have the power to decide what we want to do, but where do those wants come from? Where do thoughts come from? They just appear. We do not author our own thoughts, for us to do that we would have to be able to think about what we're going to think about.
Think about that one!
I mean all our choices stem from our brain structure/states and experiences, and we have neither control of our genetic heritage nor our experiences.
We may feel like we have the power to decide what we want to do, but where do those wants come from? Where do thoughts come from? They just appear. We do not author our own thoughts, for us to do that we would have to be able to think about what we're going to think about.
Think about that one!
Skwim
Veteran Member
Many of us have, and concur.