Guilty or Not Guilty - Teacher Education

[mikkel_the_dane]

Perhaps it was your presentation or my reaction to what usually happens, sorry. I Probably looked at it skewed.

The poster simply made a blanket statement with no supportive documentation. I simply googled and it came up. The study was made for the US Department of Education - was there a reason why I should doubt its content?

Well, yes. Now I haven't read it, but the following can be relevant.
Where all the crimes the same or similar? Are there different time periods used? Are the same standards used for prosecuting and sentencing?
What is defined as education and what is left out if any?

So in short this is a joke about this: There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
Here is one classical one. Church going as church going causes cancer. It doesn't, but if you don't know what to look for you can find a statistics that show that. In fact this one was made as a teaching example to warn of one of the dangers of statistics.

 

[Kenny]

Well, yes. Now I haven't read it, but the following can be relevant.
Where all the crimes the same or similar? Are there different time periods used? Are the same standards used for prosecuting and sentencing?
What is defined as education and what is left out if any?

So in short this is a joke about this: There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
Here is one classical one. Church going as church going causes cancer. It doesn't, but if you don't know what to look for you can find a statistics that show that. In fact this one was made as a teaching example to warn of one of the dangers of statistics.

Certainly we can look at the report and try to find out the nuances of the same. But what still stares one in the face are the packed School Board Meetings with upset parents for the sexual indoctrination pushed by schools. One can't fabricate those events.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Certainly we can look at the report and try to find out the nuances of the same. But what still stares one in the face are the packed School Board Meetings with upset parents for the sexual indoctrination pushed by schools. One can't fabricate those events.

Well, yes you can in a sense. But that ends in politics. You consider sex education one thing. I do that differently. That is politics.

 

[Kenny]

Well, yes. Now I haven't read it, but the following can be relevant.
Where all the crimes the same or similar? Are there different time periods used? Are the same standards used for prosecuting and sentencing?
What is defined as education and what is left out if any?

So in short this is a joke about this: There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
Here is one classical one. Church going as church going causes cancer. It doesn't, but if you don't know what to look for you can find a statistics that show that. In fact this one was made as a teaching example to warn of one of the dangers of statistics.

For an example:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526401955311984641

Memorize the content below? Is this really "education"?

Spoiler: graphic content

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

For an example:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526401955311984641

Yeah. You have your feelings about that. I have different ones.

 

[Kenny]

Yeah. You have your feelings about that. I have different ones.

I added the content with an edit.. do you still have the same view?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I added the content with an edit.. do you still have the same view?

Can you give the teaching instructions, age, literary source of text and so on?
I mean relevant for Danish education and for when a child is a child, then yes. Such a text could be relevant.

 

[Kenny]

Can you give the teaching instructions, age, literary source of text and so on?
I mean relevant for Danish education and for when a child is a child, then yes. Such a text could be relevant.

Talking about that subject, memorizing that portion, that has a "public" educational value?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Talking about that subject, memorizing that portion, that has an educational value?

No, that is too simple. Such a text in a Danish context would have a context beyond memorizing that portion.

 

[Father Heathen]

Blanket statements with no supportive documentation is not a point.

PS

So I decided to google. Interestingly enough:

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests - LifeSite

by LifeSiteNews.com

www.lifesitenews.com

And the Catholic Church, with all of its abuse notoriety (which happens in any group), apparently is safer than public schools by 100%

Child Sex Abusers in Protestant Christian Churches: An Offender Typology

This is the online version of the article. To access a print version with page numbers for citation and reference purposes, select "Download" to the right and then choose "Formatted PDF."

www.qualitativecriminology.com

US Christian group accused of covering up sexual abuse of minors

Lawsuits claim International Churches of Christ leaders failed to report as well as plotted to conceal abuse of women and children

www.theguardian.com

 

[Kenny]

No, that is too simple. Such a text in a Danish context would have a context beyond memorizing that portion.

Well, don't know about Danish education, but for me, math, history, geography, biology, chemistry, grammar, critical thinking, debate, science project seem to have a more applicable "public" application. I think that material quoted, if it is important to the parent, should be done in a family setting.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well, don't know about Danish education, but for me, math, history, geography, biology, chemistry, grammar, critical thinking, debate, science project seem to have a more applicable "public" application. I think that material quoted, if it is important to the parent, should be done in a family setting.

Yeah, and I think differently. Now you do understand this is a nothing burger so far in some parts of the world, right? Not that is irrelevant in the USA and that is how you live there.

 

[Kenny]

Child Sex Abusers in Protestant Christian Churches: An Offender Typology

This is the online version of the article. To access a print version with page numbers for citation and reference purposes, select "Download" to the right and then choose "Formatted PDF."

www.qualitativecriminology.com

US Christian group accused of covering up sexual abuse of minors

Lawsuits claim International Churches of Christ leaders failed to report as well as plotted to conceal abuse of women and children

www.theguardian.com

Child Sex Abusers in Protestant Christian Churches: An Offender Typology

This is the online version of the article. To access a print version with page numbers for citation and reference purposes, select "Download" to the right and then choose "Formatted PDF."

www.qualitativecriminology.com

US Christian group accused of covering up sexual abuse of minors

Lawsuits claim International Churches of Christ leaders failed to report as well as plotted to conceal abuse of women and children

www.theguardian.com

Definitely A TRAVESTY and may justice prevail.

What I did notice, however wrong for these abuses, is that none of it shows support for your statement. Was that an error or did you do that on purpose?

 

[Kenny]

Yeah, and I think differently. Now you do understand this is a nothing burger so far in some parts of the world, right? Not that is irrelevant in the USA and that is how you live there.

Yes, in areas where sex trafficking is commonly encouraged and sold on the open market, it isn't a big issue. IMV

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes, in areas where sex trafficking is commonly encouraged and sold on the open market, it isn't a big issue. IMV

Can you rephrase that?

 

[Nakosis]

For context

Seems kind of sexist.

 

[Kenny]

Can you rephrase that?

Well, culture can influence education and standards. If in the Greek society of old, the culture was to have sex with children, then they would have no problem with today's curriculum. Probably would think they could go even deeper. If the national standard says "prostitution should not be criminalized" then the educational standard would be different than the country who says "this is criminal activity"

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well, culture can influence education and standards. If in the Greek society of old, the culture was to have sex with children, then they would have no problem with today's curriculum. Probably would think they could go even deeper. If the national standard says "prostitution should not be criminalized" then the educational standard would be different than the country who says "this is criminal activity".

Well, there are more that those 2 positions, so in effect it is not relevant.

 

[Kenny]

Well, there are more that those 2 positions, so in effect it is not relevant.

I don't see the irrelevancy. Was there a flaw in my viewpoint? Of course there can be more points to any subject but it doesn't invalidate what I said?

 

[SkepticThinker]

yes, along with this.

Nearly 350 K-12 educators arrested on child sex crimes in 2022

A year-long analysis conducted by Fox News Digital found that 349 public educators were arrested on child sex-related crimes in the U.S. from Jan. 1 to Dec. 31 of 2022.

www.foxnews.com

"The projected number of teachers nationwide for 2021 was 3,684,000, with 3,197,000 at public schools and 488 at private schools. This would allow for a student to teacher ratio of 15.3 on average, which breaks down to 15.8 at public schools and a ratio of 11.7 at private schools.'

So, what percentage of teachers does that amount to? Can you do the math for us?

Oh, and your source is Tucker Carlson, so we'll have to take that with a grain of salt.

"A year-long analysis conducted by Fox News Digital revealed that from Jan. 1 to Dec. 31 of 2022, at least 349 kindergarten through 12th-grade educators were arrested on child sex crimes."

Yes, a grain of salt indeed. Oh, and 54 of the alleged crimes didn't involve students. According to Fox News analysis, so, who knows.

Blanket statements with no supportive documentation is not a point.

PS

So I decided to google. Interestingly enough:

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests - LifeSite

by LifeSiteNews.com

www.lifesitenews.com

And the Catholic Church, with all of its abuse notoriety (which happens in any group), apparently is safer than public schools by 100%

Lifesitenews is a trash site that I happen to know has pushed all kinds of anti-COVID vaccine propaganda.
Why do you choose to rely on such poor sources all the time?