Gun poll

[lewisnotmiller]

Honestly, I've lost where we are going with this.

My point was that those that are using guns for violent crimes will obtain guns with or without current or more stringent gun laws.

I know. I'm just not sure why that's a slam dunk on whether better gun laws are needed.

All laws fall into the 'Yeah, but lawbreakers don't follow laws' bucket.
There is also an inherant assumption that the 'gun problem' is because of 'bad guys'.

Active shooter incidents are not necessarily done by people with criminal histories.
Laws like red flag laws are an example of a gun control law which is trying to reduce gun violence committed by people who may have limited or no criminal background, and are often using legal weapons.

 

[nPeace]

(Better) gun laws don't make sense to me. Is it the law abiding gun owners that are the problem?

The criminals will have guns (or any other deadly weapon) and use them as they will with or without these laws.

I was actually thinking what it would be like if they used knives.
One disadvantage is that you can't throw a knife at an approaching squad car, but you can unleash a hail of bullets at approaching squad cars and officers,
However, you are right. Unless the mentality changes, any weapon, will be used to leave dead scores of people in one killing.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Then you shouldn't hunt them. I do/have.

They are aggressive territorial animals.

People that have been attacked by bears/hogs weren't attacked because they bear/hog was running away.
It was charging/chasing them.

Right, but what I mean is if you aren't able to hunt them with a rifle that isn't semiautomatic because they charge you close enough that you can't operate the rifle fast enough, you may need to refine your hunting technique.

I do understand that there is a problem with wild boars in some parts of the country but I am sure special exceptions like licensing could be adopted to help control the population.

Edited to add: Also, if someone is unwilling to accept the risk (even of death) of hunting large dangerous animals, why hunt them?

 

[We Never Know]

Well, you can get special ammunition that would stop a bear at say 15 feet at least.

I would hunt bear or hog with this shotgun but I don't think it should be legal for anyone to have.

Language warning. Has a few f-bombs

 

[nPeace]

Ok fair enough.
With that one rifle, would that one rifle used to shoot elk also be good to shoot squirrel.
Or vise-versa.

There's a very good reason why its illegal to hunt, say deer with a .22lr.

Well, leave the deer alone, and raise chickens. It's still a belly full of meat.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

(Better) gun laws don't make sense to me. Is it the law abiding gun owners that are the problem?

The criminals will have guns (or any other deadly weapon) and use them as they will with or without these laws.

Many mass shooters are law abiding owners that legally aquired guns until they perpetrated their horrific crime.

 

[We Never Know]

Right, but what I mean is if you aren't able to hunt them with a rifle that isn't semiautomatic because they charge you close enough that you can't operate the rifle fast enough, you may need to refine your hunting technique.

I do understand that there is a problem with wild boars in some parts of the country but I am sure special exceptions like licensing could be adopted to help control the population.

"like licensing could be adopted to help control the population"

That's why there are hunting licences and hunting seasons for deer, squirrel, rabbit, turkey, etc etc.

Also hunting deer, turkey, duck, bear, etc also have to have a separate permit to hunt them on top of a hunting license.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

(Better) gun laws don't make sense to me. Is it the law abiding gun owners that are the problem?

The criminals will have guns (or any other deadly weapon) and use them as they will with or without these laws.

The same reason you do not see mass shooters often using hand grenades instead. Increasing the difficulty to access certain weapons makes more hurdles for criminals trying to obtain them, thus discouraging the less determined ones. Any criminal that is dead set on an objective can find a way to do it, it all depends on effort vs desire.

 

[We Never Know]

Many mass shooters are law abiding owners that legally aquired guns until they perpetrated their horrific crime.

Screen their minor records and medical/health records. They hold/hide many red flags IMO.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

"like licensing could be adopted to help control the population"

That's why there are hunting licences and hunting seasons for deer, squirrel, rabbit, turkey, etc etc.

Also hunting deer, turkey, duck, bear, etc also have to have a separate permit to hunt them on top of a hunting license.

Specialized hunting licenses for hunting boars with a semiautomatic, I mean, and within certain restrictions to help minimize the risk of a lot of folks misusing it to get at the sweet sweet semiautos.

I say this as a person who owns a semiautomatic rifle and used to hunt (mostly squirrels).

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Screen their minor records and medical/health records. They hold/hide many red flags IMO.

That is a good step, in my opinion, but could get tedious and risks inequal treatment under the law. But it is a good discussion to have.

 

[Nakosis]

Well, US specific. Include the militia part in gun laws.

Yes, the US founders thought it was so important to allow it's citizens to protect their freedom from all threats foreign and domestics they included it in the second amendment.
It wasn't included for hunting.

I imagine they felt that though government was necessary, that any government had the potential of becoming tyrannical. They were distrustful of government, can't say that I blame them, and felt that the citizens of a nation held the ongoing responsibility to keep the government is check. Not the other way around.

Every citizen in the US has a right to protect themselves. Maybe this is not a view shared by other nations. Yes, there is an inherent risk in this. I suppose they felt the risk to freedom was greater.

Right now it is hard to see their point. Maybe someday we'll be glad they had the foresight to write the second amendment into our laws.
Or maybe not.

Giving people the right to protect themselves was and experiment. Time to shut it down?
Time to take away one's right to protect themselves?

 

[Viker]

Which one of those would you use to shoot an elk at say..100 yards

Can we go back to horse, horse and buggy too?

Why not go retro? I prefer archery myself.

 

[We Never Know]

Why not go retro? I prefer archery myself.

I like that as well

 

[F1fan]

Let's make muskets, blunderbusses, and flintlock pistols the only guns allowed.

Good idea. Guys who want to pack one of these in public will need to wear a pirate outfit to look cool.

 

[We Never Know]

That is a good step, in my opinion, but could get tedious and risks inequal treatment under the law. But it is a good discussion to have.

IMO,, here are a lot of people who shouldn't own guns. .

• More than 50% will be diagnosed with a mental illness or disorder at some point in their lifetime.
• 1 in 5 Americans will experience a mental illness in a given year.
• 1 in 5 children, either currently or at some point during their life, have had a seriously debilitating mental illness.
• 1 in 25 Americans lives with a serious mental illness, such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or major depression.

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[Viker]

Good idea. Guys who want to pack one of these in public will need to wear a pirate outfit to look cool.

I guess I should dress like a ranger elf or like I am from Assassin's Creed, being an archer.

 

[Viker]

Just a note:

My stepfather hunted with a double barrel shotgun, blue jeans, a blazer and orange ball cap. He relentlessly mocked all the tactical geared AR-15 toting "clowns", as he called them. I miss him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hate 'em.

However, since people love 'em, and the US seem clueless as to how to manage the problem... here is my two cents worth of advice.

• Restrict the buying and use of high powered weapons, and automatic weapons to only military, and special forces. Shotguns, as well.
• Hunters are only allowed a rifle.
• Home owners who want a gun get a hand gun, a rifle.
• No one younger than 21 allowed access to a gun, period.
• All must have a license to carry, own, and use any gun... including toy guns. Kidding

There are just a number of problems.

• People will still get hold of weapons they should not possess, because there is corruption within the places responsible for maintaining order.
• People will complain that they need more than a "pea" shooter to protect their family, or hunt big game.
• Congress has to agree, and there is no unanimity within this system.

So... I don't know. Maybe scientists will build a big gun in space that shoots electrical waves to the brain that changes their thinking. Then everyone will only want paper guns.

The only other thing is for everyone to submit to God's kingdom, where we beat our swords into plow shears, and our spears into pruning shears, and learn war no more, but since that wont happen..

There is only one solution left.
He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He breaks the bow and shatters the spear [and the guns]; He burns the military wagons [and the tanks] with fire. Psalm 46:9

Have s good day, everybody.

It is pretty hard to go bird hunting with a rifle. You might want to allow people to at least have pump action shotguns for that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why don't youns just agree criminals don't follow laws.

Youns should know by now why this is a bad argument.