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Hamas must be eradicated

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Little Dragon

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Orbit said:
So you think the solution is to continue the cycle of violence?
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I fear the poster believes a more permanent "solution" is necessary, a course of action, that will in the long term, telling words their words, result in less bloodshed. Going by earlier discussions. We've had.

I can only conclude that the poster thinks that Gaza should have essentially, it's population, replaced. The current population, to be either killed or driven into diaspora. If I am wrong. Many apologies.
 
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Bthoth

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Some are expecting that form of genocide. To remove the palestinians from the lands that israel controls including gaza.

But because of the religious and long term ties to the location, that error in thinking will lead to larger scale violence.
 
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Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
Bthoth said:
But because of the religious and long term ties to the location, that error in thinking will lead to larger scale violence.
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Too right it would. It would cause outrage in the Islamic world, which includes NATO allies, like Turkey. All bets would be off.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Orbit said:
So you think the solution is to continue the cycle of violence?

Sounds like a guarantee of failure.
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No, I think the solution is to end the cycle by eradicating Hamas - just like I said in the OP.

Now if you think that wouldn't end the cycle, why not? Maybe the Palestinians aren't so innocent?
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Bthoth said:
Some are expecting that form of genocide. To remove the palestinians from the lands that israel controls including gaza.

But because of the religious and long term ties to the location, that error in thinking will lead to larger scale violence.
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I have NOT heard any serious people calling for the removal of Palestinians.
 
Orbit

Orbit

I'm a planet
icehorse said:
No, I think the solution is to end the cycle by eradicating Hamas - just like I said in the OP.

Now if you think that wouldn't end the cycle, why not? Maybe the Palestinians aren't so innocent?
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You seem to think Palestinians = Hamas.

Eradicating Hamas is a fine strategy. Eradicating Palestinians is not.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Orbit said:
You seem to think Palestinians = Hamas.

Eradicating Hamas is a fine strategy. Eradicating Palestinians is not.
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Man, ya gotta read the posts - ffs

this is a long thread - you can't just jump in at a random place, and just disregard the previous posts :(
 
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Little Dragon

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icehorse said:
I have NOT heard any serious people calling for the removal of Palestinians.
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The language coming from members of the Israeli legislature would suggest otherwise.

A Tweet I saw on X recently posted by The deputy speaker for the Israeli parliament Mr Nissim Vaturi states:

"All the preoccupation with whether or not there is internet in Gaza shows that we've learned nothing. We are too humane. Burn Gaza now no less!"

November 17th 2023 6:14 AM
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Orbit said:
Eradicating Hamas is a fine strategy.
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It can't work if the oppression & apartheid remain.
Hamas would still survive outside of Gaza, & would
continue violent resistance against Israel's oppression.
If Israel changed course to provide justice to Palestinians,
then Hamas would be de-fanged.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
If Israel changed course to provide justice to Palestinians,
then Hamas would be de-fanged.
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This seems to be the main point of the disagreement. I think this is naive thinking. Long before there was a Hamas, Arab leaders have consistently rejected any and all two state solutions - going back decades.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
icehorse said:
This seems to be the main point of the disagreement. I think this is naive thinking.
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Naive is thinking that doing the same
thing (brutal oppression of Palestinians,
& apartheid) over & over for 70 years
will finally result in peace if they just
kill every enermy this time.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
Naive is thinking that doing the same
thing (brutal oppression of Palestinians,
& apartheid) over & over for 70 years
will finally result in peace if they just
kill every enermy this time.
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You appear to have a seriously mistaken understanding of the history.

I guess it's just easy for you to repeat your soundbite over and over again?
 
Orbit

Orbit

I'm a planet
icehorse said:
You appear to have a seriously mistaken understanding of the history.

I guess it's just easy for you to repeat your soundbite over and over again?
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He's absolutely right. I just takes a certain detachment to see it. If you are gung-ho for Israel, you evidently can't see it.

It's this, and I've posted it before, but what the heck. As an objective outside observer:

1. Israel hates the Palestinians because of the Oct 7th and previous attacks and hostage-taking.

2. Palestinians hate Israel because they took (and continue to take) their land, blockaded Gaza (leading to poverty and human rights issues), and are bombing them for 44 days running.

Each group says: "They just want to kill us!"

Ok, both sides have a point.

The big stumbling block here is that the Israelis can't seem to accept that the Palestinians DO have a point. And the more they use their military power to kill them (13K now), and continue policies that are frankly oppressive, the more terrorists they create.

No, what both sides have been doing is clearly stupid. And it's not working for anyone.

Negotiation about the substantive issues is the only thing that is going to work. And you can't deny it will work before it starts; we are at a unique point in history, with specific players. It took a long time before the IRA and England could do that, but it shows it can be done.
 
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