The land mass between syria and egypt is palestine.
The locals, are the palestinians. Israel exists within palestine.
Yes and no. Yes Palestine names a particular area. But what do you mean by locals? Israelis were local as well until the forced diaspora. Palestine isn't the state of Arab Palestinians which was suddenly taken away from those Palestinians that suddenly decided to collectively declare a national identity.
At one point Israelis were Palestinians in that sense as well.
And at one point all the local nation states had a piece. Including the Egyptians, Romans, Phoenicians, Canaanites, and other Semitic tribes, none of which were known as particular Palestinians that had a national identity.
Sure the UN established a Jewish state within palestine.
Yes, yet everyone seems to conveniently forget that Jews were living within Palestine prior to the diaspora events and the UN mandate of a Jewish state. About better than 2000 years before.
Israel is not being condemned for responding to the atrocities of HAMAS but for the over extended retaliation.
Really? Pay attention to the pro-Palestinian protests. Its as if they believe the attacks happened without cause. Without cause because a lot of them are publicly and proudly celebrating not just a Hamas victory by brave and honorable Hamas warriors who only want their own state but their actively celebrating the way in which it was achieved and what it did to those it achieved it on.
I've also noticed even those humanitarians who are concerned with the Palestinian people ignore or downplay Hamas's part in starting this mess and continuously doing what they can to ensure a tragic Palestinian body count.
Over extended? The reality of the war is such that Israel has been put into a place of any response being tragic for the Palestinian people as a direct result of how Hamas operates or the equivalent of no response at all which would do nothing but encourage the likelihood of similar tragedies to happen in the future if not worse ones.
I don't think we fully realize the reality of wars in the middle east when the enemy has no concern for human dignity, rights, or decency to begin with.
If you try and fight a mud monster your gonna get muddy. That's the reality of the situation.
I know what HAMAS did was horrid, what is sick is watching Jews all over the world being abused for what israel is doing which has nothing to do with Jews or judaism.
No, but it does have everything to do with eliminating a sickening ideology whos publicly professed goal is to kill every Jew no matter where.
Israel DOES NOT represent the JEWS of the world.
And yet its literally a Jewish state. Try telling that to the Jews themselves who identify Israel itself as their native land. But your technically right, just like America doesn't represent Christians but generally acts or purports to act in accord with general Christian moral values. Now try telling that to the radical Muslim world. Try telling that to Hamas. You know, the one that publicly asked for all Muslims to take up arms and kill all the Jews. Try telling that to the Palestinian protesters who attack Jewish couples in the wrong place at the wrong time just trying to get to synagogue.
What i have been debating with an israeli defender is that the apartheid, oppression and illegal occupation is wrong and has been wrong for decades.
What do you mean apartheid? There is 250,000 Palestinians living within Israel proper now. You'll have to clarify what you mean by oppression and how you mean they are being oppressed? What occupation are you referring to and how is it illegal?
That long held divide is what created the monsters called HAMAS.
My big toe. Multitudes of peoples throughout history have been oppressed and subjugated. Not many have produced the sickening ideologies of Hamas which by the way have been apparently embraced at least by many of the Palestinian protesters here in the states.
Oppression may breed resistance but in no way does it inevitably breed inhumane ideologies. That's just an excuse to blame others as justification for tolerance of the existence of such things.
And the attempt of trying to eliminate palestinians from the region will create even more monsters.
And here it is again. This is how hatred begins. With the spread of misinformation or misrepresentation of some data. Wherever did you get the idea that Israel wants to eliminate Palestinians? You would think they would start within their own country with the 250,000 that reside there first. Just kick em out of the country proper as a starting point.
We create monsters where there are none and ignore the monsters that don't need creating.
