"Her penis" - not at all Orwellian - argh

[SkepticThinker]

Go away.

I see I'm not the only one on the thread to have noticed.

 

[SkepticThinker]

All good things, but not at the expense of women and confused gay kids.

I don't think you've demonstrated that is happening.

Why not pursue all of those things without making it zero-sum, which is the nature of much of the trans activist's agenda.

For example, why can't we just say that a trans woman is a trans woman?

We do.

Why can't we say that there are two sexes and infinite personalities?

Because that's not an accurate assessment of the situation.

Why can't we allow lesbians to just be same sex attracted?

We do.

 

[icehorse]

I don't think you've demonstrated that is happening.

And you haven't demonstrated that GAC is more effective than talk therapy alone.

We do.

But some also insist that a trans woman is a woman. That's a dangerous lie.

Because that's not an accurate assessment of the situation.

Then what is?

We do.

Some trans woman go ballistic if they're refused by lesbians.

 

[icehorse]

Consider this another quote of your intolerance. You've been shown time and time again to be very ignorant of the subject but yet here you are again trying to act like you know more and better than others and insist you ignorance holds the solution.

I'm gone for the rest of the day. This post wasn't quite so bad, but while I'm gone, you and @ImmortalFlame ought to come to some agreement as to what a strawman is

 

[icehorse]

Except Lee listed fields of study and scientific disciplines, whereas your list is mostly just people who faced negative reaction from voicing bigoted opinions, and a transgender advocacy organization having links to transgender advocacy activists? How scandalous!

No my list is a mirror of the arguments we see on RF.

RFers often simultaneously demand citations, explicitly admit they're unaware of a trend, AND have a strong opinion.

Not a recipe for thoughtful discussions

 

[SkepticThinker]

And you haven't demonstrated that GAC is more effective than talk therapy alone.

When have I suggested anything about "talk therapy alone?"

But some also insist that a trans woman is a woman. That's a dangerous lie.

Why is it a "dangerous lie?"

Then what is?

You're trying to equate gender with personality for some reason.

Some trans woman go ballistic if they're refused by lesbians.

So? I've met a lot of men that have gone ballistic when I've turned them down for a date. So what?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Dixiecrats were southern red states, and were eventually absorbed by the republican party. Also, the KKK was started by former officers of the confederacy, whose flag and monuments are worshipped by present day republicans. Slavery, segregation, etc. all happened in the south, which is hardcore MAGA territory. There's a reason that hate groups are far right.

And then there's the People's Democrat party with Communism, Socialism, and Marxism.

I guess this country is screwed two ways to Sunday.

 

[Firenze]

And then there's the People's Democrat party with Communism, Socialism, and Marxism.

I guess this country is screwed two ways to Sunday.

Yep, that nasty communism taught by Jesus…

 

[Soandso]

Yep, that nasty communism taught by Jesus…

Might be more convincing of a point if he wasn't an atheist!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yep, that nasty communism taught by Jesus…

Jesus is a Democrat. Ssss..... Don't tell anyone.

 

[Colt]

Maybe take a chill pill and let the leagues figure this out for themselves, as there are some negative repercussions with what you are proposing, especially since there are so few by percent of transgenders in sports. Your proposal would make them ineligible to play at all.

Oh ok, we will tell the women that men can come into their sphere of competition and defeat them even though they are not girls and they should just suck it up! Take a chill pill!

The Left went so far Left that they came back around to the same kind of discrimination towards women that they set out to stop! Boys pretending to be girls and take the gold metal!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Oh ok, we will tell the women that men can come into their sphere of competition and defeat them even though they are not girls and they should just suck it up! Take a chill pill!

The Left went so far Left that they came back around to the same kind of discrimination towards women that they set out to stop! Boys pretending to be girls and take the gold metal!

I think it's funny that all of a sudden, certain people suddenly give a crap about women's sports, when they certainly never have before.

Also, how come you guys don't get your panties in a wad over trans men joining sports teams?

I mean, look what's happening!!

Trans male boxer Patricio Manuel wins fight against cisgender rival

Trans male boxer Patricio Manuel has won his third fight against a cisgender rival, and could now be ranked by a major sporting body.

www.thepinknews.com

 

[metis]

Oh ok, we will tell the women that men can come into their sphere of competition and defeat them even though they are not girls and they should just suck it up! Take a chill pill!

The Left went so far Left that they came back around to the same kind of discrimination towards women that they set out to stop! Boys pretending to be girls and take the gold metal!

You've dishonestly have turned this into a "Left" v "Right" thingy. I said that I believe it's best that the leagues make such decisions, which is not a right v left statement. Also, your stereotype of women versus men on this underscores the fact that it is you who's operating under a political agenda.

 

[Father Heathen]

No my list is a mirror of the arguments we see on RF.

RFers often simultaneously demand citations, explicitly admit they're unaware of a trend, AND have a strong opinion.

Not a recipe for thoughtful discussions

So you're saying that you find it annoying when people expect you to substantiate your claims?

 

[Father Heathen]

Jesus is a Democrat. Ssss..... Don't tell anyone.

His teachings and examples are certainly considered "woke" or "socialist" by conservatives whenever they're preached or practiced by others.

 

[Father Heathen]

And then there's the People's Democrat party with Communism, Socialism, and Marxism.

I guess this country is screwed two ways to Sunday.

Nah, let's stick with the real world (and dictionary), not the cartoon world in your head.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

I would say your hypothetical situation is ridiculous, and dare I say not representative of what is actually going on anywhere.
In fact, I think your hypothetical is demeaning towards trans people and parents of trans kids.

It’s an extreme example, but what about it makes it impossible? The age of the child? The parent who wants a trans child?

 

[SkepticThinker]

It’s an extreme example, but what about it makes it impossible? The age of the child? The parent who wants a trans child?

The whole thing from, “I know he is only age 6 but ever since we saw a transgender person a year ago and had the gender conversation with him” to “She’s always wanted a girl!”

You can't seriously believe these are the kinds of scenarios we're talking about here.
Where do you get this idea that "parents want trans children?" Or that parents are pushing gender dysphoria on their kids? What for?

This all smacks of the same kinds of things we used to (and still do) hear about gay people converting your children to be gay. Except now we've replaced "gay" with transgender.

 

[Treasure Hunter]

The whole thing from, “I know he is only age 6 but ever since we saw a transgender person a year ago and had the gender conversation with him” to “She’s always wanted a girl!”

You can't seriously believe these are the kinds of scenarios we're talking about here.

I know full well these are not the type of scenarios you imagine because many have a narrow, romantic view of the trans issue. It’s why I feel compelled to ask how young is too young because I’m quite certain many advocates haven’t actually answered this question for themselves.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I know full well these are not the type of scenarios you imagine because many have a narrow, romantic view of the trans issue. It’s why I feel compelled to ask how young is too young because I’m quite certain many advocates haven’t actually answered this question for themselves.

Can you show that your scenarios is occurring anywhere at all? Can you show that's how gender dysphoria presents itself? Can you show this is how the process plays out with parents, psychiatrists/psychologists and doctors?
I don't see the point in addressing it otherwise.

We've already been down this road with homosexuality, as I said.