"Her penis" - not at all Orwellian - argh

[Father Heathen]

If you have the plumbing, go where the plumbing fits.

What exactly are you doing in a public restroom where your "plumbing" needs to "fit"? Aside from urinals, most toilets work the same for both sexes.

And let's re-ask the question; do you honestly think it's a good idea for transmen like this to use women's restrooms? You don't think that would cause a lot more problems than if he used the men's?

If you don't give a straightforward answer, then I'll accept it as an admission of defeat.

 

[Father Heathen]

I see. Just like your as expected dismissive attitude towards any and all answers givin by people to you that you don't like.

Par for course as far as I'm concerned.

It wasn't a real answer; you danced around it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What exactly are you doing in a public restroom where your "plumbing" needs to "fit"? Aside from urinals, most toilets work the same for both sexes.

And let's re-ask the question; do you honestly think it's a good idea for transmen like this to use women's restrooms? You don't think that would cause a lot more problems than if he used the men's?

If you don't give a straightforward answer, then I'll accept it as an admission of defeat.

Only if the wall stall is used. That's my straightforward answer.

Don't ask, don't tell logic here and a fixed statement that I admit defeat if I don't provide your personal definition of a straight answer.

Tell me is this what all trans men now look like in your world?

If you don't give me a straight answer then you admit defeat on that.

Lol...

You're not even giving a sensible question much less deserving of a sensible answer.

Now where did we hear stuff like that coming from you before?

 

[Revoltingest]

Yep a non problem like this one.

The lesbians who feel pressured to have sex and relationships with trans women

Some lesbians say they have been called transphobic for not wanting sex and relationships with trans women.

www.bbc.co.uk

The whole problem cited in the link is that it's about
how someone "feels" about an anecdotal (unverified)
experience with another person. Is the problem merely
internal (how she feels) or external (actual coercion)?
There's nothing objective in there.

 

[McBell]

The whole problem cited in the link is that it's about
how someone "feels" about an anecdotal (unverified)
experience with another person. Is the problem merely
internal (how she feels) or external (actual coercion)?
There's nothing objective in there.

Well, in all fairness, he did flat out admit it was a non-problem before the link was presented....

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, in all fairness, he did flat out admit it was a non-problem before the link was presented....

I saw that.
But I felt the call to read & comment on it.

 

[Father Heathen]

Only if the wall stall is used. That's my straightforward answer.

I wasn't aware that trans people were removing the stall walls from restrooms. Regardless, you don't think bearded guys going into women's restrooms would cause problems, even if they were born female?

Don't ask, don't tell logic here and a fixed statement that I admit defeat if I don't provide your personal definition of a straight answer.

Tell me is this what all trans men now look like in your world?

What about cis women would aren't very feminine, or cis men who aren't very masculine? Many have been harassed by transphobic creeps who've presumed that they were trans. On the flip side, there are transgendered people who you would have no idea that they were trans and would cause far more disruption by entering the restroom of their birth sex, so how to you filter and verify? Why not get over yourself, leave people alone, and let them **** in peace?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I wasn't aware that trans people were removing the stall walls from restrooms. Regardless, you don't think bearded guys going into women's restrooms would cause problems, even if they were born female?

What about cis women would aren't very feminine, or cis men who aren't very masculine? Many have been harassed by transphobic creeps who've presumed that they were trans. On the flip side, there are transgendered people who you would have no idea that they were trans and would cause far more disruption by entering the restroom of their birth sex, so how to you filter and verify? Why not get over yourself, leave people alone, and let them **** in peace?

You've hit the nail on the head: their position makes absolutely no sense when you look at the full implications of what they say they're after.

OTOH, everything reconciles itself if we assume that their end goal is erasure of trans people from public life generally. They don't want trans men in the women's washroom; they don't want any trans or nb people in any public washroom. They want them either at home out of their sight or closeted, living as if they're cis.

And I've never heard one of them care about the impact of their actions on cis people who don't especially meet traditional gender norms, so it stands to reason that harassing masculine-looking cis women and feminine-looking cis men is in line with what they want, too: it's either a positive to them or something that they just don't care about.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You pretty much demonstrated the fact that you just can't flat out accept answers unless it happens to fit your custom made mold to make yourself feel good that you're on top of things.

You didn't amswer it. You just danced around it like this post.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You didn't amswer it. You just danced around it like this post.

Same applies. I gave an answer. I don't accommodate what people fish for.

If they don't like my answer, move on to the next person.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Same applies. I gave an answer. I don't accommodate what people fish for.

If they don't like my answer, move on to the next person.

You didn't answer. It's not am issue of wanting certain answers, it's the fact you have been trying to dance around something you know you can't enforce and will cause more problems.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And let's re-ask the question; do you honestly think it's a good idea for transmen like this to use women's restrooms? You don't think that would cause a lot more problems than if he used the men's?

He looks like the father of my youngest two nephews.

 

[Firenze]

I guess a summary of the article is that this phrase "her penis" is showing up all over mainstream journalism, as if such a thing is real.

Your ignorance of the nuances of human sexuality and the fact that it exists on a broad continuum you haven't bothered to learn most likely explains your exasperated bigotry.

 

[Firenze]

What exactly are you doing in a public restroom where your "plumbing" needs to "fit"? Aside from urinals, most toilets work the same for both sexes.

And let's re-ask the question; do you honestly think it's a good idea for transmen like this to use women's restrooms? You don't think that would cause a lot more problems than if he used the men's?

If you don't give a straightforward answer, then I'll accept it as an admission of defeat.

Here's a straightforward answer. The irrational fear of using unisex restrooms is the sign of a limited intellect. Enlightened countries have used unisex restrooms for decades. Rapes and sexual assaults do not occur in them. My wife and daughters used unisex restrooms in Austria, Germany, and Switzerland - and nobody had a problem with it. Amazingly, these countries have a much lower overall rate of sex crimes than the US. Have you bothered to find out why that is? It's because the US is full of sexually repressed and frightened little people like you that are obsessed with what people do in their bedrooms as well as restrooms. Your ignorance of the broad continuum on which sexuality resides no doubt informs your bigotry.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Here's a straightforward answer. The irrational fear of using unisex restrooms is the sign of a limited intellect. Enlightened countries have used unisex restrooms for decades. Rapes and sexual assaults do not occur in them. My wife and daughters used unisex restrooms in Austria, Germany, and Switzerland - and nobody had a problem with it. Amazingly, these countries have a much lower overall rate of sex crimes than the US. Have you bothered to find out why that is? It's because the US is full of sexually repressed and frightened little people like you that are obsessed with what people do in their bedrooms as well as restrooms. Your ignorance of the broad continuum on which sexuality resides no doubt informs your bigotry.

Precisely. There have been past posts and entire threads based on unisex accommodations, and I think that's an excellent solution to the whole entire problem.

What's notable is my/our government over here seems to not want to do anything about it , left or right wing.

Although In fairness I do see more unisex facilities cropping up albiet slowly, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

 

[McBell]

Same applies. I gave an answer.

Nope.
You did not answer the question.
You replied to the question.
You did not answer it.

I don't accommodate what people fish for.

You also do an awful lot of fear dancing when asked questions.

If they don't like my answer, move on to the next person.

It is your reply that is disliked.
Why?
Because your reply did not answer the question.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Nope.
You did not answer the question.
You replied to the question.
You did not answer it.


You also do an awful lot of fear dancing when asked questions.


It is your reply that is disliked.
Why?
Because your reply did not answer the question.

Glad your letting your baby tantrum over the answer you don't like out.

 

[Father Heathen]

Here's a straightforward answer. The irrational fear of using unisex restrooms is the sign of a limited intellect. Enlightened countries have used unisex restrooms for decades. Rapes and sexual assaults do not occur in them. My wife and daughters used unisex restrooms in Austria, Germany, and Switzerland - and nobody had a problem with it. Amazingly, these countries have a much lower overall rate of sex crimes than the US. Have you bothered to find out why that is? It's because the US is full of sexually repressed and frightened little people like you that are obsessed with what people do in their bedrooms as well as restrooms. Your ignorance of the broad continuum on which sexuality resides no doubt informs your bigotry.

Uhh... did you intend to reply to me? Where did I say I had any problem with unisex restrooms? I'm not the one who takes issue with trans people using the restrooms that correspond with how they identify, so how am I the one who's "sexually repressed and frightened"? And how is defending transgendered people "bigotry"? So I'm assuming you simply responded to the wrong post. Otherwise your reading comprehension is ****-poor.

 

[Father Heathen]

Precisely.

Precisely? Did you not read their post? "It's because the US is full of sexually repressed and frightened little people like you that are obsessed with what people do in their bedrooms as well as restrooms."? "Your ignorance of the broad continuum on which sexuality resides no doubt informs your bigotry."?

That describes you, son.

Also, read their reply to Icehorse, and look at their post history, and their avatar.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Precisely? Did you not read their post? "It's because the US is full of sexually repressed and frightened little people like you that are obsessed with what people do in their bedrooms as well as restrooms."? "Your ignorance of the broad continuum on which sexuality resides no doubt informs your bigotry."?

That describes you, son.

Also, read their reply to Icehorse, and look at their post history.

Calm down.

Take a deep breath.

Count to three.