SkepticThinker
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Sorry, what science, exactly is "based on the Bible?"
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Historical Accuracy in Scripture
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SkepticThinker
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Who has said that?Any education can be indoctrination... It is undoubtedly ridiculous to make someone believe that if they do not go to university they will be indoctrinated or they will not be a cultured and educated person, and if they go to university they will not be. Psss, the things we are forced to read online!!!!
We get it. You don't like atheists. So much so that you want to censor them from saying things you don't like.Most likely, not even the vast majority of those who make so much apology for higher education here, just with the aim of showing contempt for believers and offending them by calling them ignorant, have taken a higher course in their entire lives...
The administration of internet forums should censor atheist posts with that line of argument... and deprogram all bots with that kind of offensive comments in their databases, so they can not post that kind of insults against other real forumers any more.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
When did he ever appear in the first place?Yeah, but they have failed.
You can not make God disappear
Promises, promises.... He will make them disappear, but before they will meet Him.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Perhaps you could present them to us. Despite what you think, some of us sinister atheists want to believe in true things. If you've got some truth, let's hear it.
I don't know, you're the one who believes. You tell us.But evidently if you don't even believe God exists, what can I show you to prove He got any word at all.
What are atheists indoctrinated with, exactly?All dialogue with indoctrinated people is useless, and irrational atheists are already indoctrinated.
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SkepticThinker
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It seems like you did just a minute ago ...Of course, I am indoctrinated in Jesus teachings:
Matt. 28:18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
1 Tim. 1:3 (...) command certain ones not to teach different doctrine, 4 nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies. Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith.
Heb. 6:1 Therefore, now that we have moved beyond the primary doctrine about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying a foundation again (...)
So are you ... but not in Christ's doctrine.
I don't see anything wrong on being "indoctrinated", you do. But "doctrine" is the same as teaching. We are educated in diferent teachings than you are. And evidently our teachings are superior ... because of our fruits as international community ... I am talking about JWs, not about Christendom in general.
Jesus said "wisdom is proved righteous by its works" (Matt. 11:19).
"All dialogue with indoctrinated people is useless, and irrational atheists are already indoctrinated."
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Where were people fired where the intention of doing so was to force them to "get the shot?"Forcing and also coercing people to get the vaccine is against the Nuremberg code that says:
The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
Nuremberg Code - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Firing people, or preventing them to move is coercing, if done to make people accept the shot.
I think it depends on what is the law. But, for example law that says, don't murder, has obviously purpose to prevent murder. I think laws that all people can agree on are legitimate. For example don't murder, no one wants to be murdered, so it is a legitimate law. And in all cases, I think the law should be equal for all so that, if for example a world leader brakes the law, he gets the same punishment as anyone else.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You apparently have no idea what science is. That's just so disappointing.
Here is few examples:
"But Bohnak's time as chief meteorologist for news station TV6 came to an abrupt end last month. He was fired after refusing to comply with the vaccine mandate imposed by his station's corporate owner, Gray Television."
More U.S. businesses have started requiring employees to get their COVID-19 shots, leaving the unvaccinated with a stark choice: Get jabbed or seek work elsewhere.
Can you be fired for refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19?
A growing number of employers around the U.S. are requiring workers to get their shots. Get used to it.
www.cbsnews.com
Health Workers Are Getting Fired For Refusing The Covid Vaccine—Here’s Why Office Workers Could Be, Too
Health Workers Are Getting Fired For Refusing The Covid Vaccine—Here’s Why Office Workers Could Be, Too
Many large employers would consider firing employees who don't get vaccinated, a poll found.
www.forbes.com
Only 43 of more than 8,000 discharged from US military for refusing Covid vaccine have rejoined
Colt
Well-Known Member
Originally the stories of the scripture were intended to be used as spiritual instruction. Going forward from their inception religions AND state authority established the scripture books as divinely ordained, even inspired!
The Old Testament of Abrahamic faith was compiled, edited and finalized during the Babylonian captivity, a time of devastating loss of religious and nationalist identity for the Israelites. The "audience" were the scattered and spiritually downcast common people who would benefit from a spectacular story of origins and destiny. The fact is, it worked!
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Don't private businesses have a right to set requirements for their workers and themselves? Doesn't the DoD have a right to establish rules for those in the military?Here is few examples:
"But Bohnak's time as chief meteorologist for news station TV6 came to an abrupt end last month. He was fired after refusing to comply with the vaccine mandate imposed by his station's corporate owner, Gray Television."
More U.S. businesses have started requiring employees to get their COVID-19 shots, leaving the unvaccinated with a stark choice: Get jabbed or seek work elsewhere.
Can you be fired for refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19?
A growing number of employers around the U.S. are requiring workers to get their shots. Get used to it.
Health Workers Are Getting Fired For Refusing The Covid Vaccine—Here’s Why Office Workers Could Be, Too
Health Workers Are Getting Fired For Refusing The Covid Vaccine—Here’s Why Office Workers Could Be, Too
Many large employers would consider firing employees who don't get vaccinated, a poll found.
Only 43 of more than 8,000 discharged from US military for refusing Covid vaccine have rejoined
Seems to me that, as a Christian, a person should be pro life, thus we get the shot not only to hopefully save ourselves but also to save others. Don't you agree with that?
Audie
Veteran Member
You sure have psychological projectionThere are a lot of factors that prove the Bible is the word of God. You just don't want to see them.
But evidently if you don't even believe God exists, what can I show you to prove He got any word at all
All dialogue with indoctrinated people is useless, and irrational atheists are already indoctrinated.
worked out. Any other lesson in psych 101 you
want to demo for us?
Audie
Veteran Member
Scientific illiteracy is essential for fundys.
Audie
Veteran Member
If that seems harsh it's coz you were not inHere is few examples:
"But Bohnak's time as chief meteorologist for news station TV6 came to an abrupt end last month. He was fired after refusing to comply with the vaccine mandate imposed by his station's corporate owner, Gray Television."
More U.S. businesses have started requiring employees to get their COVID-19 shots, leaving the unvaccinated with a stark choice: Get jabbed or seek work elsewhere.
Can you be fired for refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19?
A growing number of employers around the U.S. are requiring workers to get their shots. Get used to it.
Health Workers Are Getting Fired For Refusing The Covid Vaccine—Here’s Why Office Workers Could Be, Too
Health Workers Are Getting Fired For Refusing The Covid Vaccine—Here’s Why Office Workers Could Be, Too
Many large employers would consider firing employees who don't get vaccinated, a poll found.
Only 43 of more than 8,000 discharged from US military for refusing Covid vaccine have rejoined
China!
By what the Nuremberg code says, it was wrong. But, obviously people can have different opinions. I think government, or companies should not have right to demand people to take experimental shots. But, in the case of companies I can accept that they have freedom to choose who they hire, even in arbitrary and foolish way. And then people should have freedom to reject that company and let it go out of business, for being tyrannical and evil.
A Christians is saved by Jesus, not by quacks.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Under national current law, no one can be forced to take a shot, so your point is moot.
Seems that you don't give a hoot about protecting others with the proven vaccines, thus I have to question whether you are in actuality pro life. If I drive 85 in a 25, my carelessness can lead to someone's death; and what you are proposing and doing is much the same, namely your intention to not protect others. But that's not what the Gospels teach us is moral.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Not enough information on this guy in the article.
From the article:More U.S. businesses have started requiring employees to get their COVID-19 shots, leaving the unvaccinated with a stark choice: Get jabbed or seek work elsewhere.
Can you be fired for refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19?
A growing number of employers around the U.S. are requiring workers to get their shots. Get used to it.
"Under labor laws, employers have the right to set their terms and conditions of employment — if a worker doesn't comply, a company can give them the ax. This also applies for COVID-19 vaccinations, according to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
"The EEOC has made clear that individuals can be required to take the vaccine as a term and condition of employment. That is subject to requests for accommodation based on medical reasons or sincerely held religious belief," Helen Rella, a workplace attorney at New York-based law firm Wilk Auslander, told CBS MoneyWatch."
Sorry, but it's nothing new that healthcare and medical professionals need to be up-to-date on their vaccinations, if they want to work in the field, especially if they're interacting with patients. Same goes for masks and other protective gear. For super obvious reasons, I think. This was going on long before COVID came around.Health Workers Are Getting Fired For Refusing The Covid Vaccine—Here’s Why Office Workers Could Be, Too
Health Workers Are Getting Fired For Refusing The Covid Vaccine—Here’s Why Office Workers Could Be, Too
Many large employers would consider firing employees who don't get vaccinated, a poll found.
These people were allowed to return after the mandate was lifted, and most chose not to. Their choice.
Despite what some may believe, you're not entitled to a particular job. There are, and always have been conditions attached to employment.
If you don't want a vaccine, fine, don't get one, but there are consequences for our actions. If I don't feel like following the speed limits, I'm not entitled to have a driver's licence and drive a car, anyone, just because I want to.
Do you not think that employers have a responsibility to protect their workers? How about during a global pandemic? Do you remember what happened when Tyson Foods didn't take proper precautions to protect their workers? Here, I'll refresh your memory:
Twice as Many Workers Died of COVID at Tyson Foods Than Other Meatpackers
According to information from the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, over 12,000 Tyson Foods workers contracted COVID-19 with 38 dying from the virus.
www.newsweek.com
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Any good therapist would ask the Client if Their thought process contributed.
In more civilized era vaccines were taken to protect the vaccinated person.
I think everyone who thinks it can save him, should be allowed to take it. But demanding others to take them is wrong.
I think you asked examples of people who lost their work. So, apparently these were enough for that?
It is a different matter was it right. And I think no one should have to take any drugs against his will, without losing his job, especially when the pandemic seems to have been fake.
exchemist
Veteran Member
This is untrue. Vaccination has for years been used as a method of controlling, or ideally eliminating, disease in populations. Just consider polio or smallpox, against which people of my generation were all routinely immunised, back in the 1950s. (I rowed in the school Ist VIII with a guy who had had polio, had a withered leg and was on crutches, poor fellow. Though he trained like hell on the good leg and nearly made the national lightweights later on).