They knew that had not helped the person of Jesus. He said they had helped him and they said "when"? What does when mean?
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Walkntune
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It means Jesus was not just a person.
Jesus did not make them say when did he? They said it. Them saying it has nothing to do with what Jesus is unless he made them say it. Did he?
Congregator
Outworld Experimentation
To completely understand the meaning of `when` in Matthew 25:37-39, we need to consider the context of the whole scripture from Matthew 25:31-40.
31 “When the Son of Man
comes in his glory, and all
the angels with him, he will
sit on his glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be
gathered before him, and
he will separate the people
one from another as a
shepherd separates the
sheep from the goats. 33 He
will put the sheep on his
right and the goats on his
left.
34 “Then the King will say
to those on his right, ‘Come,
you who are blessed by my
Father; take your
inheritance, the kingdom
prepared for you since the
creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and
you gave me something to
eat, I was thirsty and you
gave me something to
drink, I was a stranger and
you invited me in, 36 I
needed clothes and you
clothed me, I was sick and
you looked after me, I was
in prison and you came to
visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will
answer him, ‘Lord, when
did we see you hungry and
feed you, or thirsty and
give you something to
drink? 38 When did we see
you a stranger and invite
you in, or needing clothes
and clothe you? 39 When
did we see you sick or in
prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply,
‘Truly I tell you, whatever
you did for one of the least
of these brothers and sisters
of mine, you did for me.’
So first, he talks about the seperating of the sheep and the goat. (basic).... Then it talks about the kingdom of God, which has not occured as yet, future prophecy... (seriously, who inherited any kingdom [spiritually ofcourse]).... Then mentions that while in heaven and in his earthly form, there where those who catered for his matrial needs. However, the `when` comes in as none will recall being so gracious to Jesus ... But he then makes the point that as long as you are hospitable to the poor, it is followng the pattern he set for us on earth.
So this helping of the poor occurs now. The `when`.... But the whole scripture takes effect during Jesus second coming in heavenly power ,when he will judge the righteous and unrighteous. Thus its two fold and the people that ask the queston are the righteous.
31 “When the Son of Man
comes in his glory, and all
the angels with him, he will
sit on his glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be
gathered before him, and
he will separate the people
one from another as a
shepherd separates the
sheep from the goats. 33 He
will put the sheep on his
right and the goats on his
left.
34 “Then the King will say
to those on his right, ‘Come,
you who are blessed by my
Father; take your
inheritance, the kingdom
prepared for you since the
creation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and
you gave me something to
eat, I was thirsty and you
gave me something to
drink, I was a stranger and
you invited me in, 36 I
needed clothes and you
clothed me, I was sick and
you looked after me, I was
in prison and you came to
visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will
answer him, ‘Lord, when
did we see you hungry and
feed you, or thirsty and
give you something to
drink? 38 When did we see
you a stranger and invite
you in, or needing clothes
and clothe you? 39 When
did we see you sick or in
prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply,
‘Truly I tell you, whatever
you did for one of the least
of these brothers and sisters
of mine, you did for me.’
So first, he talks about the seperating of the sheep and the goat. (basic).... Then it talks about the kingdom of God, which has not occured as yet, future prophecy... (seriously, who inherited any kingdom [spiritually ofcourse]).... Then mentions that while in heaven and in his earthly form, there where those who catered for his matrial needs. However, the `when` comes in as none will recall being so gracious to Jesus ... But he then makes the point that as long as you are hospitable to the poor, it is followng the pattern he set for us on earth.
So this helping of the poor occurs now. The `when`.... But the whole scripture takes effect during Jesus second coming in heavenly power ,when he will judge the righteous and unrighteous. Thus its two fold and the people that ask the queston are the righteous.
Congregator
Outworld Experimentation
And no, he did not make them say it... But it is quite interesting...
Are there any super apostles alive and interested and are proficient in the ancient language of Jesus to be able to distinguish the word "inherit" for the interested few? No? I thought not.
No, he absolutely did not say to the poor. He said to the needy. A rich person can be needy.
ps Not sarcasm
2 Timother 4:13 When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments.
There are many instances recorded about how the apostles were helped and entertained. They were not poor. Does anyone know any poor apostles? Even if they were, it does not say they were.
There are many instances recorded about how the apostles were helped and entertained. They were not poor. Does anyone know any poor apostles? Even if they were, it does not say they were.
Inherit. Can it mean to be an inheritor? To inherit something and to be named as an inheritor are different but I know you knew that. So which one is it?
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
Who will inherit? Who knows?
The needy, but what do you qualify as need? Those who are in need of your help. So that means everyone, but what are the likely hood that the rich will be in need of your help compared to say the poor?
MeLtiZBleaCh
Member
According to Islam having a son, wife or any other blood relationship is a human trait since Humans reproduce. Reproduction is neccessary for the survival of humanity. God is Omnipotent he does not require anything for his survival. No human trait can be assigned to God.
I disagree. Love is a human trait and it can be "assigned to" God.
The one named as an inheritor comes to know he is.
Did you read the post? Paul needed the scrolls. Someone gave them to him. That is an example.
The illustration is about making futher progress for the Kingdom. Who is helping the Kingdom heirs?
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
Well the main reason I mention the "who knows" part is because there is much that Jesus said about what belongs to whom in Matthew.
But what is also important to know is that Jesus was in many cases always referring to his disciples. Even when speaking of going to prepare a place, he focused on the disciples themselves.
I think I want to go way off topic right now.
What if you were the Inn manager in Bethlehem? A woman is pregnant and is due. You cannot be bothered to give her a room. Her baby dies.
You feel really bad. Another pregnant woman arrives sometime later. You felt so bad about the baby that died that you do anything to give her a room and some care. She births a healthy baby. But the healthy baby grows up to be Herod. Yes, that Herod.
Have you become known by God as a kingdom inheritor or the opposite?
I have another one. Didn't Jesus say the contract is only valid after the author of it dies? When do you think God is going to die? It is then that the inheritors receive the inheritance.
What if you were the Inn manager in Bethlehem? A woman is pregnant and is due. You cannot be bothered to give her a room. Her baby dies.
You feel really bad. Another pregnant woman arrives sometime later. You felt so bad about the baby that died that you do anything to give her a room and some care. She births a healthy baby. But the healthy baby grows up to be Herod. Yes, that Herod.
Have you become known by God as a kingdom inheritor or the opposite?
I have another one. Didn't Jesus say the contract is only valid after the author of it dies? When do you think God is going to die? It is then that the inheritors receive the inheritance.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Im in the kingdom now.
I believe you. It is obvious anyone who will take the rule which is God's rule is not for the Kingdom.
Matthew 21:35:33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.
“The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”
But I think you mean the kingdom is in you, not you in the kingdom. Is that correct?
In case you really mean you are in the kingdom. How so please?
John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.
Do you believe what is written about what Jesus said?
I believe we can certainly be for that other place but I can not see it is possible to be in it and here too. Of course we are on the interent so I do not know for sure you are here. Haha But I believe you are. Are you?
John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.
Do you believe what is written about what Jesus said?
I believe we can certainly be for that other place but I can not see it is possible to be in it and here too. Of course we are on the interent so I do not know for sure you are here. Haha But I believe you are. Are you?
Congregator
Outworld Experimentation
The poor as in both a spiritual and a literal sense... Needy does not justify that they are in need or privledged to something... However poor indictes a state of less nobility than a higher authority....
So put simply (for the lesser ones)... Being needy doesnt mean you are poor or deserve something.. You can need a plate of food but you dont really have to eat it... But if you are poor, you live on a plate of food, because you dont know when you getting your next meal (i know from experience).... Being needy gives you a choice, being poor doesnt (you eat or you starve)..... #Think about it#.... And needy is dependent on translation.
So put simply (for the lesser ones)... Being needy doesnt mean you are poor or deserve something.. You can need a plate of food but you dont really have to eat it... But if you are poor, you live on a plate of food, because you dont know when you getting your next meal (i know from experience).... Being needy gives you a choice, being poor doesnt (you eat or you starve)..... #Think about it#.... And needy is dependent on translation.
Are you really in Africa?
Yes. Everything is dependent on translation.
Happy are the poor. There poor does not mean needy.
Naked means needy. Sick means needy. Hungry means needy. Thirsty means needy. et cetera