Holes in the trinity

[Redemptionsong]

I still don't see what difference Christ has made to your relationship with God. Don't Jews also pray to God and love him with all their heart, soul and might (Deuteronomy 6:5)?

When John was baptising people in the Jordan he said, 'I indeed have baptised you with water: but he [Jesus Christ] shall baptise you with the Holy Spirit.'

Let's also recall the eloquent Jew Apollos, who was described as 'mighty in the scriptures' and who 'spake diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John' (Acts 19). Yet Aquila and Priscilla took him aside and 'expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.' Likewise, at Ephesus, Paul baptised twelve disciples in the name of the Lord Jesus and then laid his hands on them. When he did so 'the Holy Spirit came on them'.

The idea of the trinity is about God doing a work of love to save humanity from sin and death. The real holes are not in the trinity but in the hearts of the stubborn who refuse to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Katzpur]

Catholic, Baptist, Protestant, SDA, LDS, religions not recognizing God the Almighty, and atheistic religions all teach things different from what God teaches through His written word, and they all teach things differing from each other. That being said, how can they all be correct, or how can even one be correct? How can we get close to God with faulty information?

Interesting comment. Of course any of the religions you have mentioned as "not recognizing God the Almighty" could easily substitute "Jehovah's Witnesses" for their name. I, for instance, could say that "Catholic, Baptist, Protestant, SDA, JW religions not recognizing God the Almighty... all teach things different from what God teaches, [etc.]" I have a question for you now, truthofscripture. I have had many prayers answered by God, more prayers than I could even begin to count. Who answered them if not God the Almighty? Who heard me pray if not God the Almighty? If I don't recognize Him, why does He continue to answer my prayers and give me guidance?

 

[sojourner]

Catholic, Baptist, Protestant, SDA, LDS, religions not recognizing God the Almighty, and atheistic religions all teach things different from what God teaches through His written word, and they all teach things differing from eachother. That being said, how can they all be correct, or how can even one be correct? How can we get close to God with faulty information?

I'd be seriously asking myself the same question: How do you get close to God with such faulty information?

 

[truthofscripture]

I still don't see what difference Christ has made to your relationship with God. Don't Jews also pray to God and love him with all their heart, soul and might (Deuteronomy 6:5)?

When John was baptising people in the Jordan he said, 'I indeed have baptised you with water: but he [Jesus Christ] shall baptise you with the Holy Spirit.'

Let's also recall the eloquent Jew Apollos, who was described as 'mighty in the scriptures' and who 'spake diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John' (Acts 19). Yet Aquila and Priscilla took him aside and 'expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.' Likewise, at Ephesus, Paul baptised twelve disciples in the name of the Lord Jesus and then laid his hands on them. When he did so 'the Holy Spirit came on them'.

The idea of the trinity is about God doing a work of love to save humanity from sin and death. The real holes are not in the trinity but in the hearts of the stubborn who refuse to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

No, Jews do not love God with all their heart soul and might. If they did, they would not reject ONE WORD of His inspired word, but they certainly do that. Yes Jesus baptized with holy spirit, but only those whom his Father had chosen to be annointed. The idea of the trinity is totally pagan. It was adopted by a pagan in creating the Roman Church. Anything pagan is abhorrent to Jehovah God.

 

[truthofscripture]

Interesting comment. Of course any of the religions you have mentioned as "not recognizing God the Almighty" could easily substitute "Jehovah's Witnesses" for their name. I, for instance, could say that "Catholic, Baptist, Protestant, SDA, JW religions not recognizing God the Almighty... all teach things different from what God teaches, [etc.]" I have a question for you now, truthofscripture. I have had many prayers answered by God, more prayers than I could even begin to count. Who answered them if not God the Almighty? Who heard me pray if not God the Almighty? If I don't recognize Him, why does He continue to answer my prayers and give me guidance?

Jehovah's Witnesses are just that, Jehovah God's witnesses. He commanded all to be His witnesses in Isaiah. They are not a sect or a religion as you know it. They are the original Christian Congregation that Jesus began.

 

[psychoslice]

For me the trinity is just a metaphor, but then in truth we are all one, there is no duality, the trinity is to show God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all one, but when we ourselves become one in God we are also one in Spirit. I feel we are the Christ when we become one in God the father, the Christ being the Christ Consciousness, in oneness we all including God melt into non duality, God, the Christ, and the Holy Spirit are dropped, leaving nothing but pure Source, pure love.

 

[truthofscripture]

For me the trinity is just a metaphor, but then in truth we are all one, there is no duality, the trinity is to show God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all one, but when we ourselves become one in God we are also one in Spirit. I feel we are the Christ when we become one in God the father, the Christ being the Christ Consciousness, in oneness we all including God melt into non duality, God, the Christ, and the Holy Spirit are dropped, leaving nothing but pure Source, pure love.

Let's see you find that in the scriptures. It's not there.

 

[Katzpur]

Jehovah's Witnesses are just that, Jehovah God's witnesses. He commanded all to be His witnesses in Isaiah. They are not a sect or a religion as you know it. They are the original Christian Congregation that Jesus began.

Uh huh. Well, I disagree. I believe that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is "the original Christian Congregation that Jesus began." So now what?

By the way, were your going to bother to answer the one question I asked you? Here it is again: I have had many prayers answered by God, more prayers than I could even begin to count. Who answered them if not God the Almighty? Who heard me pray if not God the Almighty? If I don't recognize Him, why does He continue to answer my prayers and give me guidance?

 

[psychoslice]

Let's see you find that in the scriptures. It's not there.

I see it there, I see it between the mere words, the words are pointer pointing us to what is beyond the words, a parable is a story that is seen from different levels of consciousness, you can see it from the self or mind conscious, or you can see it from the inner Christ Consciousness, its the same story.

 

[truthofscripture]

Uh huh. Well, I disagree. I believe that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is "the original Christian Congregation that Jesus began." So now what?

By the way, were your going to bother to answer the one question I asked you? Here it is again: I have had many prayers answered by God, more prayers than I could even begin to count. Who answered them if not God the Almighty? Who heard me pray if not God the Almighty? If I don't recognize Him, why does He continue to answer my prayers and give me guidance?

Disagreeing doesn't make what you think correct. They are the Congregation that Jesus began in 33 C.E. whether you believe it, like it, or not. Ask them. I am sure one of them will gladly explain it to you. LDS is a sect of Christianity. Christianity itself is the congregation Jesus began, not a religion or a church. LDS is a religion AND a church and Read Galations 5:19-21 and see what is included in the list of "works of the flesh".

 

[Katzpur]

Disagreeing doesn't make what you think correct. They are the Congregation that Jesus began in 33 C.E. whether you believe it, like it, or not. Ask them. I am sure one of them will gladly explain it to you.

Oh, I think I'm starting to catch on! If I disagree with you, that doesn't prove anything, but if you disagree with me, it proves you're right.

LDS is a sect of Christianity. Christianity itself is the congregation Jesus began, not a religion or a church. LDS is a religion AND a church and Read Galations 5:19-21 and see what is included in the list of "works of the flesh".

We've been through this "works of the flesh" crap before. Stop wasting my time and everybody else's.

And I ask you for the third time: I have had many prayers answered by God, more prayers than I could even begin to count. Who answered them if not God the Almighty? Who heard me pray if not God the Almighty? If I don't recognize Him, why does He continue to answer my prayers and give me guidance? What do you think you're accomplishing by ignoring my question? Don't you think people notice when you just keep refusing to answer the same question over and over again?

 

[truthofscripture]

Oh, I think I'm starting to catch on! If I disagree with you, that doesn't prove anything, but if you disagree with me, it proves you're right.

We've been through this "works of the flesh" crap before. Stop wasting my time and everybody else's.

And I ask you for the third time: I have had many prayers answered by God, more prayers than I could even begin to count. Who answered them if not God the Almighty? Who heard me pray if not God the Almighty? If I don't recognize Him, why does He continue to answer my prayers and give me guidance? What do you think you're accomplishing by ignoring my question? Don't you think people notice when you just keep refusing to answer the same question over and over again?

How is ANY word from God Himself a waste of time? I don't know the circumstances of what you say is your prayers being answered, so how can I answer your question with NO information to go on? You will wait a very long time under those conditions. The word of God is the definitive answer to all questions. When I use them to answer a question, you say it's a waste of time. Then you ask a question incompletely and expect some kind of answer. You do not play on a fair playing field. You certainly cannot expect me to think that's honest now can you?

 

[.kaleb]

The point is that the name YHVH has historically been replaced with LORD, so as to prevent it from being pronounced. The LXX has substituted the Greek term translated as "Lord" for YHVH. It's interesting to note that in Phil. 2:11, Paul uses the same Greek term found in the LXX. What this tells us is that Paul had some concept of Jesus as God. The significance is that the "title" supplants the "name," and so becomes synonymous with it.

And yet the confusion remains. If Jesus is God, how is that Paul, who you stated "had some concept of Jesus as God",
writes in 2 Corrinthians 1:3 (American Standard Version)Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ...
• The Lord Jesus Christ has a God. The Lord Jesus has a father.
How can you reconcile this?

 

[Katzpur]

How is ANY word from God Himself a waste of time?

It's not, but talking to you is. I asked a simple, straightforward question and you were unable to answer it. I'm moving on now. There's no point trying to carry on a conversation with you. (And I'm not the only one who's starting to figure that out.)

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

No, Jews do not love God with all their heart soul and might.

Wow!

 

[Tumah]

No, Jews do not love God with all their heart soul and might.

That has got to be the craziest crazy talk that I have ever had the crazy talk to crazy talk.

Do you have any idea whatsoever how many Jews died at the hands of Christians over the past 1500 years rather than renounce their faith in the Jewish G-d?
Shoo. Go do some research. Shoo.

 

[truthofscripture]

It's not, but talking to you is. I asked a simple, straightforward question and you were unable to answer it. I'm moving on now. There's no point trying to carry on a conversation with you. (And I'm not the only one who's starting to figure that out.)

You did NOT ask a straightforward question at all. You gave no details at all. You're not being honest with me. If you think that answers from the scriptural standpoint is a waste of time, it certainly does speak volumes about your viewpoint of God the Almighty, now doesn't it?

 

[truthofscripture]

Wow!

Wow what? If one loved Jehovah with his whole life, energy and mind, that one would not discount one word of His inspired word, now would he? Jews as a whole do that always. They did in the times b.c.e. and they do now. That is why Jehovah had abandoned them as His chosen nation and replace them with "spiritual Israel" and the Christian Congregation. Not religions "claiming" to be Christian, but what Jesus taught.

 

[truthofscripture]

That has got to be the craziest crazy talk that I have ever had the crazy talk to crazy talk.

Do you have any idea whatsoever how many Jews died at the hands of Christians over the past 1500 years rather than renounce their faith in the Jewish G-d?
Shoo. Go do some research. Shoo.

This isn't crazy at all. I don't understand how anyone could believe one word of the scriptures to be crazy. I don't understand how the history of a people who constantly turn their back on Jehovah could be considered crazy either. It's historical fact.

You say Jews died at the hands of Christians. Not hardly. They died at the hands of Christendom, not Christianity. There is a night and day difference between the two. Christianity is what Jesus taught and not one of them would harm a fly. Christendom is religions "claiming falsely" to be Christian. No sect/denomination of Christianity is Christian, although they lyingly claim to be. You must understand the difference.

 

[Tumah]

This isn't crazy at all. I don't understand how anyone could believe one word of the scriptures to be crazy. I don't understand how the history of a people who constantly turn their back on Jehovah could be considered crazy either. It's historical fact.

You say Jews died at the hands of Christians. Not hardly. They died at the hands of Christendom, not Christianity. There is a night and day difference between the two. Christianity is what Jesus taught and not one of them would harm a fly. Christendom is religions "claiming falsely" to be Christian. No sect/denomination of Christianity is Christian, although they lyingly claim to be. You must understand the difference.

You see that thing flying over your head? It's the point.
It doesn't matter who it was that was persecuting Jews. The point is that thousands if not tens and hundreds of thousands willingly gave up their lives for their Jewish G-d which directly contradicts your statement about Jews not loving G-d.