Holes in the trinity

[truthofscripture]

You see that thing flying over your head? It's the point.
It doesn't matter who it was that was persecuting Jews. The point is that thousands if not tens and hundreds of thousands willingly gave up their lives for their Jewish G-d which directly contradicts your statement about Jews not loving G-d.

If you loved your friend, would you only regard half of what he said to you, and say the other half is false? No, you wouldn't. If you love Jehovah God, one would not regard half of what he said, and disregard the other half. Yes, Israel was persecuted, but much of it was brought upon themselves in the period before our common era. Some after the beginning of our common era. It's true people are persecuted all over the globe for a myriad of reasons, and no persecution is justified, but those who draw close to Jehovah are in many ways protected. Rejecting one word of what He inspired to be written for us prevents that drawing close and acquiring such protection. One must do the entire will of God always, all day, every day to be close to Him. Failure to do so, has it's consequences. Take yourself. Not even bringing one's self to spell Jehovah's title, God, much less use His personal name is not a loving attitude toward Jehovah. That's a superstitious teaching of MEN, not of God. That in itself is a rejection of God's commands to use His personal name always. How can one draw close to Him if one does these things? It simply is not possible.

 

[Tumah]

So to paraphrase your point:
You don't have a response to my refutation of your statement that Jews don't love G-d, so you are going to use the old bait and switch. No problem. Let's move on...

If you loved your friend, would you only regard half of what he said to you, and say the other half is false? No, you wouldn't. If you love Jehovah God, one would not regard half of what he said, and disregard the other half.

Huh?

Yes, Israel was persecuted, but much of it was brought upon themselves in the period before our common era. Some after the beginning of our common era.

Wha?

It's true people are persecuted all over the globe for a myriad of reasons, and no persecution is justified, but those who draw close to Jehovah are in many ways protected.

And?

Rejecting one word of what He inspired to be written for us prevents that drawing close and acquiring such protection. One must do the entire will of God always, all day, every day to be close to Him. Failure to do so, has it's consequences.

Right.

Take yourself. Not even bringing one's self to spell Jehovah's title, God, much less use His personal name is not a loving attitude toward Jehovah. That's a superstitious teaching of MEN, not of God. That in itself is a rejection of God's commands to use His personal name always.

We don't pronounce our parents' personal names either out of respect for them. Are you going to now argue that all Jews don't love their parents as well?

How can one draw close to Him if one does these things? It simply is not possible.

You would naturally think so, not having grown up within the Jewish religion. But we've been doing the impossible for thousands of years. We know how.

 

[Katzpur]

You did NOT ask a straightforward question at all. You gave no details at all. You're not being honest with me. If you think that answers from the scriptural standpoint is a waste of time, it certainly does speak volumes about your viewpoint of God the Almighty, now doesn't it?

No, it speaks only of my opinion of you. Over and out, pal.

 

[Redemptionsong]

.kaleb, you asked an interesting question. I know it was directed at sojourner, but maybe you don't mind me responding too.

The KJV rendering of 2 Corinthians 1:3 is ,'Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;'

Jesus Christ is the son of God, born of a virgin through a miraculous conception. He was raised under the law, living righteously and without sin, and at about thirty years of age received the Holy Spirit from his Father in Heaven as an anointing (to become Christ). He fulfilled his servant ministry and died as the Lamb of God. After three days and nights, Jesus was raised from the dead. He showed himself for forty days before acsending to heaven. Ten days later, at Pentecost, he sent the Holy Spirit as promised. The Church, the great mystery, was born. Christ is yet to return, as King of Kings, to judge.

These events show that the transcendent Father chooses to take on flesh and dwell amongst US. They also show that Jesus was fully human but with the fulness of the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:9). When he was raised up to heaven he was made to sit at the right hand of the Father.
'But to which of the angels said he [the Father] at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?' (Hebrews 1:13)

The core of the issue is that the Father, Word and Holy Spirit are all PNEUMA.
The Father - John 4:24
Christ, the Word - I Corinthians 25:45
Holy Spirit as gift - John 3:6

It strikes me that having created the world with a purpose, this is the means by which God redeems the lost and establishes his eternal kingdom. It's salvation through grace, and not works.

 

[truthofscripture]

So to paraphrase your point:
You don't have a response to my refutation of your statement that Jews don't love G-d, so you are going to use the old bait and switch. No problem. Let's move on...

Huh?

Wha?

And?

Right.

We don't pronounce our parents' personal names either out of respect for them. Are you going to now argue that all Jews don't love their parents as well?

You would naturally think so, not having grown up within the Jewish religion. But we've been doing the impossible for thousands of years. We know how.

Not pronouncing Jehovah's name is not respectful at all. He commands us to use it. There is no bait and switch. Rejecting the Christian Greek scriptures is totally disrespectful to Jehovah. Israel is no longer Jehovah's chosen nation. What's impossible about that? Attempting to refute that is impossible. Attempting to think Israel is Jehovah's chosen nation still, even after He said they were no longer, is impossible. Being Jehovah's friend, and He yours, under those circumstances is impossible. So I suppose Israel has been attempting, unsuccessfully, to do the impossible. Yes I agree with that. Not pronouncing Jehovah's name? No, His name is not God or Adonai or any other title. His name is Jehovah. You've not misspelled His name, you've misspelled His TITLE. Now that is not rational. It's kind of nuts.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Wow what?

Wow the stunning antisemitic arrogance which would be incredibly insulting were it not so trite.

 

[truthofscripture]

Wow the stunning antisemitic arrogance which would be incredibly insulting were it not so trite.

I said not ONE WORD of anything anti-semetic at all. That must be your imagination, or something worse on your end. You seem to be saying that Jehovah God is anti-semetic. What I posted is the scriptural view of matters. You seem to read more into it than was said. Why is that? Do I detect paranoia?

 

[sojourner]

No, Jews do not love God with all their heart soul and might.

Stop telling other people what they do or do not feel. In fact, you're showing less than whole love of God by standing in such stark judgment of others.

The idea of the trinity is totally pagan.

So is the idea of the Lord's Supper.

It was adopted by a pagan in creating the Roman Church.

The Roman Church wasn't created until 1054. Constantine lived in the 300s.

Anything pagan is abhorrent to Jehovah God.

god loves all humanity.

 

[sojourner]

Jehovah's Witnesses are just that, Jehovah God's witnesses. He commanded all to be His witnesses in Isaiah. They are not a sect or a religion as you know it. They are the original Christian Congregation that Jesus began.

No they're not. They were begun in the 20th century.

 

[sojourner]

Let's see you find that in the scriptures. It's not there.

Let's see you stop insisting that everything true MUST be in the bible.

 

[sojourner]

They are the Congregation that Jesus began in 33 C.E. whether you believe it, like it, or not. Ask them.

No they're not. They began in the 20th century.

 

[sojourner]

And yet the confusion remains.

What confusion? There's no confusion here at all.

If Jesus is God, how is that Paul, who you stated "had some concept of Jesus as God",
writes in 2 Corrinthians 1:3 (American Standard Version)Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ...
• The Lord Jesus Christ has a God. The Lord Jesus has a father.
How can you reconcile this?

Jesus was fully human as well as fully Divine. If Jesus is not God, how is it that Paul, in Philippians 2, uses the selfsame title for Jesus that is commonly used for God?

 

[sojourner]

You did NOT ask a straightforward question at all. You gave no details at all. You're not being honest with me. If you think that answers from the scriptural standpoint is a waste of time, it certainly does speak volumes about your viewpoint of God the Almighty, now doesn't it?

Your answers aren't from the scriptural standpoint; they're from your standpoint.

 

[sojourner]

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I don't understand how the history of a people who constantly turn their back on Jehovah could be considered crazy either. It's historical fact.

No it isn't. It's myth.

You say Jews died at the hands of Christians. Not hardly. They died at the hands of Christendom, not Christianity. There is a night and day difference between the two. Christianity is what Jesus taught and not one of them would harm a fly. Christendom is religions "claiming falsely" to be Christian. No sect/denomination of Christianity is Christian, although they lyingly claim to be. You must understand the difference.

You're drawing a false distinction. There is no difference between the two -- they are one and the same.

 

[sojourner]

What I posted is the scriptural view of matters.

What you posted is your view -- and that view, judging from your post, is anti-semitic.

 

[truthofscripture]

Stop telling other people what they do or do not feel. In fact, you're showing less than whole love of God by standing in such stark judgment of others.

So is the idea of the Lord's Supper.

The Roman Church wasn't created until 1054. Constantine lived in the 300s.

god loves all humanity.

Are you nuts? I have you on my IGNORE list. I do not respond to you. You are posting what I won't see. Have you lost your short term memory?

 

[truthofscripture]

Wow the stunning antisemitic arrogance which would be incredibly insulting were it not so trite.

I said not ONE WORD of anything anti-semetic at all. That must be your imagination, or something worse on your end. You seem to be saying that Jehovah God is anti-semetic. What I posted is the scriptural view of matters. You seem to read more into it than was said. Why is that? Do I detect paranoia?

 

[sojourner]

Are you nuts? I have you on my IGNORE list. I do not respond to you. You are posting what I won't see. Have you lost your short term memory?

I know! <sinister smile spreads across face> But everybody else will see. I've been refuting everything you've been saying, with absolutely no rebuttals from you. It's like free rein to expose all your unsupportable, entitled propaganda.

 

[sojourner]

I said not ONE WORD of anything anti-semetic at all. That must be your imagination, or something worse on your end. You seem to be saying that Jehovah God is anti-semetic. What I posted is the scriptural view of matters. You seem to read more into it than was said. Why is that? Do I detect paranoia?

Your assertion that Jews do not love God is an anti-semitic statement. It is most certainly not a "biblical view," as you assert.

 

[.kaleb]

Jesus was fully human as well as fully Divine. If Jesus is not God, how is it that Paul, in Philippians 2, uses the selfsame title for Jesus that is commonly used for God?

"Jesus was fully human as well as fully divine"... So Jesus was God whilst on earth as a human then?