How are Jews justified in creating the state of Israel?

[Autodidact]

Historically, jews generally thrive wherever they are allowed to. From observing the large number of Jewish friends I've had throughout my life, their culture seems to promote education, stability, progress, and hard work - things which seem to be the cornerstones of building a thriving society.

And making fun of ourselves. We're really good at that too.

 

[croak]

And their ten or twelve allies, including some of the wealthiest and best armed countries in the world.

btw, why do you think Israel was able to become a developed country in a single generation, while many of the countries around her wallow in poverty and ignorance?

They might have bought weapons, but do they have Israel's tactical prowess?

Because poverty and ignorance helps the ruling elite stay in power? Israel started out as a democracy of sorts, not to mention they had to develop quickly or be wiped off the map. Of course, there were other factors at play as well, such as needing to develop the technologies to exploit resources, Zionism as an ideology being born in first-world countries and thus being influenced by the culture, and so on.

 

[Twilight Hue]

[youtube]M9OIqy6md9w[/youtube]
YouTube - Rabbi Weiss, Outside Annapolis Peace Confab, Rips Zionism

Are there any comments in regards to Jews such as that of Rabbi Weiss who actually opposes the formation of a Jewish state?

 

[croak]

Historically, jews generally thrive wherever they are allowed to. From observing the large number of Jewish friends I've had throughout my life, their culture seems to promote education, stability, progress, and hard work - things which seem to be the cornerstones of building a thriving society.

And making fun of ourselves. We're really good at that too.

You'd be surprised how much that applies to Lebanese people as well (and I'd assume Palestinians).

 

[Kilgore Trout]

And making fun of ourselves. We're really good at that too.

Whereas, I'm generally just good at making fun of others.

 

[England my lionheart]

[youtube]M9OIqy6md9w[/youtube]
YouTube - Rabbi Weiss, Outside Annapolis Peace Confab, Rips Zionism

Are there any comments in regards to Jews such as that of Rabbi Weiss who actually opposes the formation of a Jewish state?

His reasons are religious Israels are secular

 

[Kilgore Trout]

You also forgot there are elitist Jews who are excellent and historically persistent corrupt lenders, who prey on whomever they can, except of course other Jews...

What this did actually remind me of is all the people throughout history who have blamed Jews for their problems and used that as an excuse to persecute them.

 

[Numinous]

What this did actually remind me of is all the people throughout history who have blamed Jews for their problems and used that as an excuse to persecute them.

You think there is no historical grounds for my comment? I also excluded Jews as a race and said an elitist portion, mind you a powerful portion, as evidence in how well such a small sliver of real estate manages so well surrounded by masses of so called enemies in the middle east.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

You think there is no historical grounds for my comment? I also excluded Jews as a race and said an elitist portion, mind you a powerful portion, as evidence in how well such a small sliver of real estate manages so well surrounded by masses of so called enemies in the middle east.

Rich people of all races, religions, and cultures historically have exploited the less fortunate. Specifying only Jews reveals an obvious bias.

 

[Numinous]

Rich people of all races, religions, and cultures historically have exploited the less fortunate. Specifying only Jews reveals an obvious bias.

You speak the truth whiteman. Exploitation exists everywhere. The discussion at hand is how such a tiny sliver of land and people can manage so well when they are surrounded by so many that would do them harm. One must ask as to how this much strength is obtained.
You cited a few reasons earlier and I added to your list. There is leverage of the upmost within that sliver of land that excerpts power over large nations around the globe, that is obtained through sometime scrupulous methods.

Carry on...

 

[Rakhel]

Every time someone posts something about Rabbi Weiss and his sect and their obvious hatred for any Jews that isn't like them, I cringe.

 

[Rakhel]

This a more accurate map of the "little guy" Arab League. Only two of the 22 members of this group have a treaty with Israel

 

[croak]

This a more accurate map of the "little guy" Arab League. Only two of the 22 members of this group have a treaty with Israel

Any time someone posts a map of the Arab World in relation to Israel, I cringe.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Every time someone posts something about Rabbi Weiss and his sect and their obvious hatred for any Jews that isn't like them, I cringe.

This honestly surprised me and set me back a bit to discover that there were Jews around vocally opposing the formation of a Jewish state. But I suppose every religion employs what is regarded to be a fringe element to a lesser or greater extent depending who you talk to. So taken by England my Lionheart this is actually more of a secular (political) issue than religious.

 

[free spirit]

This a more accurate map of the "little guy" Arab League. Only two of the 22 members of this group have a treaty with Israel

Someone please paint that litle white spot green, so we will have peace in the world.

 

[Rakhel]

You said this in justifying why Israel is so much bigger than the rest of the Arab world.

Doesn't Israel have a peace treaty with Jordan as well? Also, Cyprus likely has no issues with Israel, most of Saudi Arabia is unoccupied desert (correct me if I'm wrong), Iraq kind of needs to focus on itself for the time being, Lebanon knows that going to war would be a very bad idea (for the most part), Yemen... isn't much of a player... and with just those you've shrunken the Arab "big guy" by quite a bit. Iran's probably the only viable threat.

Take in to account the weaponry Israel has at its disposal, the fact that it doesn't share a border with Iran, the fact that more countries support Israel than Iran... no, I think it is safe to conclude that Israel is the "big guy" here.

You conveniently left out Iran, Kuwait, U.A.E, Syria, and the rest of the Arab League.
True Lebanon is not a big player, but Hezbullah is.

 

[England my lionheart]

Someone please paint that litle white spot green, so we will have peace in the world.

I guess this shows it really is a Jew hating thread

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Someone please paint that litle white spot green, so we will have peace in the world.

 

[Autodidact]

You also forgot there are elitist Jews who are excellent and historically persistent corrupt lenders, who prey on whomever they can, except of course other Jews...

This is a lie. A disgusting, bigoted, slander that has led to the death of millions.

Or are you going to present evidence of all these "corrupt lenders" who "prey" on anyone except Jews.

 

[Autodidact]

You think there is no historical grounds for my comment?

Correct.

I also excluded Jews as a race and said an elitist portion, mind you a powerful portion, as evidence in how well such a small sliver of real estate manages so well surrounded by masses of so called enemies in the middle east.

So your prejudiced anti-semitic assertion is that Israel survives because of corrupt, exploititive Jewish bankers?