How much does the Christian God really love us?

[idea]

I don't need to get hit by a truck to know that it's something that I don't want to experience.

you do need to learn how to swim if you ever want to really enjoy getting into the water though... (if you don't know how to swim, you might justify/rationalize that nothing but drowning can happen in a lake...)

 

[Enoughie]

That is because you have no consciousness towards the spiritual and therefore can not see life after this one.

No. It is because a life after death is an idea that only speaks to our vanity, and no true God could come up with anything so wicked and ungodly.

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[Enoughie]

you do need to learn how to swim if you ever want to really enjoy getting into the water though... (if you don't know how to swim, you might justify/rationalize that nothing but drowning can happen in a lake...)

I have yet to see any advantage to being a member of your Club, so I'm not going to apply for a membership.

There is no area of life in which the members of your Club excel, except for self-delusion.

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[Enoughie]

Rational? I am both rational and spiritual, I guess you couldn't tell?

If you reject a rational, well substantiated, and logically sound argument, because it conflicts with your religion, then by definition you are not rational.

Rational: having or exercising reason, sound judgment, or good sense. -- you're not doing this.

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[idea]

I have yet to see any advantage to being a member of your Club, so I'm not going to apply for a membership.

There is no area of life in which the members of your Club excel, except for self-delusion.

members of my club excel at many things, we are not the deluded ones .

excel?
Karl Marx said "[Religion] is the opium of the people". Marx also stated: "Communism begins from the outset (Owen) with atheism"

some people agree with Marx... I personally don't...

deluded?
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/161/12/2303
http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html
etc. etc. etc....

"Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. "


.... you're more than welcome to come join us over here - the water's great!

 

[look3467]

How much does the Christian god love us? To tell you the truth, I am not too sure. I think you ought to be a little more specific which god you are talking about. Nietzsche said that god died, and I am sure he was referring to the anthropomorphic god of religions. If you are talking about Jesus, I am sorry to disappoint you with the news that he loves no longer, according to Ecclesiastes 9:5,6.

Hi, Ben
I can understand your point of view. I understand, as a Christian, the works of God in behalf of mankind.

There are many instances where mankind has reasoned things out as to what God is like and if there really is a God.

God, has in the Old Testament dealt with His chosen people to deliver His message to the world about who He is, in relation to all of us.

He gives us the beginnings of creation, the origin of mankind and how He went about to save that which He created.

In order to fully understand His works in total, one must be able to see passed many of the things written for man's understandings, and see into the spiritual works of God as only He can reveal to us using the same material.

That means one has to be connected spiritually to God in order to understand spiritual things.

That is implied in the New Testament:Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

An understanding of what a rebirth means is essential to understanding spiritual things.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

No. It is because a life after death is an idea that only speaks to our vanity, and no true God could come up with anything so wicked and ungodly.

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Ecc 8:17 Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea further; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

Why? Because those things seen with the eye is all that mankind can try to understand, but what is lacking, is the eye towards the spiritual that only through the spiritual eye can one see the works of God.

Until that happens, one is in the dark continually.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

If you reject a rational, well substantiated, and logically sound argument, because it conflicts with your religion, then by definition you are not rational.

Rational: having or exercising reason, sound judgment, or good sense. -- you're not doing this.

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If being spiritual, I can understand that God created all there is, I can surely praise Him for the wonder of it all.

I can appreciate His intervening in my daily affairs of life.

I can see the rational decay of things, of people who fail to make a connection with the Loving Creator.

I can also see the blessings, the saved lives and the healing of hurts, relationships and the appreciation for life from those who were walking in the pit of hell, and now walking in the spirit of renewal.

That would be hard if not impossible for you to understand unless your spirit first be renewed.

It's that simple!

Blessings, AJ

 

[waitasec]

If being spiritual, I can understand that God created all there is, I can surely praise Him for the wonder of it all.

I can appreciate His intervening in my daily affairs of life.

then by all means please do...

I can see the rational decay of things, of people who fail to make a connection with the Loving Creator.

what can you do as a believer that i cannot...?
how do people who fail to make that connection with your god decay?

I can also see the blessings, the saved lives and the healing of hurts, relationships and the appreciation for life from those who were walking in the pit of hell, and now walking in the spirit of renewal.

what can you do that i can't as a non believer?

That would be hard if not impossible for you to understand unless your spirit first be renewed.

It's that simple!

Blessings, AJ

yes it's that simple from a judgmental outlook on life

 

[look3467]

what can you do as a believer that i cannot...?
how do people who fail to make that connection with your god decay?>>>waitasec

Give hope to those who have none, with respect to the after life with God.

Also give solace and comfort in a spiritual way that this life can not give.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

how do people who fail to make that connection with your god decay?>>>waitasec

We all decay with age, as does everything in this world except for gold, maybe.

By decay is that the lusts of this world can become addictive, thus accelerating the destruction of ourselves.

Is that not evident in the daily news?

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

what can you do that i can't as a non believer?>>>waitasec

Present God as a healer.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

yes it's that simple from a judgmental outlook on life >>>waitasec

No, it's either or, of a statement made by God.

Each one of us judges self based on that statement.

Blessings, AJ

 

[waitasec]

Give hope to those who have none, with respect to the after life with God.

Also give solace and comfort in a spiritual way that this life can not give.

Blessings, AJ

you're moving goal posts.

as a believer you have faith in the spiritual and the after life but even so, what can you do that i cannot? what is it about faith that gives you certain abilities to do things i cannot do in the here and now?

 

[waitasec]

We all decay with age, as does everything in this world except for gold, maybe.

nice back pedaling, you said...

I can see the rational decay of things, of people who fail to make a connection with the Loving Creator

By decay is that the lusts of this world can become addictive, thus accelerating the destruction of ourselves.

so you're separating the believers from the non...right? please lets be honest here, maybe we can actually get somewhere

Is that not evident in the daily news?

you mean news about people like jim jones, the pope, mother theresa, jimmy swaggart, ted haggard, jim bakker, john goeghan, paul r. shanley, baruch lanner, cardinal bernard law, rabbi fred neulander, sheikh omar abdel-rahman, robert tilton and the hare krishna child abusers?

so what can faith enable you to do that i cannot?
thus far everyone is still subjected to the here and now...show me something new.

 

[waitasec]

Present God as a healer.

Blessings, AJ

we have doctors and medicine for that...

 

[waitasec]

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No, it's either or, of a statement made by God.

Each one of us judges self based on that statement.

Blessings, AJ

so you're not making a judgement call when you say things like...?

I can also see the blessings, the saved lives and the healing of hurts, relationships and the appreciation for life from those who were walking in the pit of hell, and now walking in the spirit of renewal.

as i have claimed, non believers can achieve these things too.

still waiting for a direct answer...
thus far all you've done is move goal posts and back pedal, and to be fair, i really think it wasn't intentional...
the focus you have on your target keeps you from appreciating the big picture.

 

[look3467]

you're moving goal posts.

as a believer you have faith in the spiritual and the after life but even so, what can you do that i cannot? what is it about faith that gives you certain abilities to do things i cannot do in the here and now?

Well, all mankind has faith in somethings, like faith that the car is going to start in the morning when you have but 10 minutes to get to work.

Faith in God is lying dormant in all of us that needs awakening. Awakening of which only God can do, but first.

The bible states that by hearing and by the word of God faith is awakened.

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

If you have no faith in God, how can you possibly be a witness?

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

so you're not making a judgment call when you say things like...?>>>waitasec

I have to make my own decision whether I will believe in God or not, that is my judgment call.

You have yours.

Take it for whatever you want, the bible states, you must be born again, which comes down to either or.

Blessings, AJ

 

[look3467]

as i have claimed, non believers can achieve these things too.>>>Waitasec

It is harder for a non-believer to be delivered from addictions then it is for a believer, and yes, non-believers can achieve those things to.

Unless you have had a personal relationship, one on one with God, it is hard to understand His love.

Blessings, AJ