Huge gap between humans and animals

[Subduction Zone]

When talking "specifics" you're talking about purpose and goals.

Nope, what makes you think that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

In somatic cells there are two allels for every gene. One allele comes from each parent

Yes, but that does not explain where the many different alleles come from. There are not only two alleles for each gene. In fact most genes have only one allele. But some genes have thousands of different alleles. Do you even know what an allele is? You appear to be just parroting terms that you do not understand. One person can only have two different alleles for one particular gene but that does not mean that is all that there is.

So where did these extra alleles come from? If you believe the Adam and Eve myth there are only two possible alleles for each gene according to you and yet we know that is not the case.

 

[ecco]

OK, selecting what?

Okay. Then explain how evolution is not accidental - using natural selection.

The term "Natural Selection", while scientifically correct, is not very descriptive of the process.

If I go to a store and see 50 bunches of bananas, I select one. That's ecco selection. That is not the way Natural Selection works.

Use lions as an example. A pride usually consists of one male and 4-5 females. The genes of the male are passed on. When the male gets older or sick, he is challenged by other males. Of these other males, some are stronger than others. The weaker males will never have a chance to have their genes passed on. Whatever it was in their genetic makeup that made them weaker, those "flawed" genes will not be passed on.

The lion that eventually takes over the pride will have his genes passed on. His genes were "selected" by nature.

What's also important to understand is that, genetically, there is very little difference in the genes of the strongest males and the weaker males.

 

[Gridiron Man]

If you read that article you will see that most genes have only one allele. That means there is only one variation that is found of it. But that is not the case for all genes. The gene that codes for your eye color has two possible alleles. Some genes have more. One gene has over 4,000 alleles. So once again, where did those variations come from?
https://www.quora.com/What-gene-in-the-human-DNA-has-the-most-number-of-alleles

You are talking about the HLA-B gene which has to do with the immune system and could have so many alleles due to past invading contaminations in the human body from viruses and bacteria. What does and how does your immune system produce for new invaders?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are talking about the HLA-B gene which has to do with the immune system and could have so many alleles due to past invading contaminations in the human body from viruses and bacteria. What does and how does your immune system produce for new invaders?

Once again Can n English please. Your question appears to be a non sequitur. Do you understand How new alleles enter the genome?

 

[Gridiron Man]

Once again Can n English please. Your question appears to be a non sequitur. Do you understand How new alleles enter the genome?

The data for our immune system is stored in our DNA. When invaded our immune system produces anibodies, which are protiens. Once you "catch a cold" and your immune system produces antibodies for it, you should become immune to that same virus.
The HLA-B gene, which plays a big part in our immune system is responsible for instructing the making of those proteins.
Would 50,000 years of being invaded and producing specialized protiens to fight virus' off alter our DNA, I would think so but its not my specialty.

 

[Gridiron Man]

The HLA-B gene you that you were talking about that has so many alleles, is it a coincidence it has so many being the specific roll it plays in our immune system?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The data for our immune system is stored in our DNA. When invaded our immune system produces anibodies, which are protiens. Once you "catch a cold" and your immune system produces antibodies for it, you should become immune to that same virus.
The HLA-B gene, which plays a big part in our immune system is responsible for instructing the making of those proteins.
Would 50,000 years of being invaded and producing specialized protiens to fight virus' off alter our DNA, I would think so but its not my specialty.

You seem to be misinterpreting how the HLA-A gene works. It gives instructions on how to make the surfaces of cells. Invaders do not match this surface and are attacked by the immune system:

HLA-B gene


It is not storing data on diseases. It is simply making a private key that the immune system recognizes. You still do not have an answer to how there are thousands of alleles of this gene. Scientists do. That is an example of mutations that have become fixed in the genome.

 

[Gridiron Man]

You seem to be misinterpreting how the HLA-A gene works. It gives instructions on how to make the surfaces of cells. Invaders do not match this surface and are attacked by the immune system:

HLA-B gene


It is not storing data on diseases. It is simply making a private key that the immune system recognizes. You still do not have an answer to how there are thousands of alleles of this gene. Scientists do. That is an example of mutations that have become fixed in the genome.

In not misinterpreting any. Your link agrees with much of what I've said.

Also from your link

The HLA-B gene has many possible variations, allowing each person's immune system to react to a wide range of foreign invaders. Hundreds of versions (alleles) of the HLA-Bgene are known, each of which is given a particular number (such as HLA-B27). Closely related alleles are categorized together; for example, more than 60 very similar alleles are subtypes of HLA-B27. These subtypes are designated as HLA-B*2701 to HLA-B*2763.

 

[Valjean]

Dude, such things are very simple and should be understood by mind.
species may have been evolved by intention which means someone have
planned for it or it just happened to be so without any plan and without any
intention, if the latter isn't by accident and chance then what the heck you call it?

FG, Yes, such things are simple, so why do you not understand despite a dozen explanations and at least one educational link. Are you ignoring these, are you willfully ignorant, or just obtuse?
The mechanisms of evolution do not require intention. They will work automatically. So why are you insisting that there is planner? Occam's razor - Wikipedia

There is no evidence of a planner. There is no need of a planner. There is reason to believe a planner so technologically sophisticated could do a better job of design. Even a first year engineering student could make many major improvements.

Just because something occurs without plan or intention doesn't mean it happens by "accident and chance." Why do you think this?

You see chemical reactions every day, and mechanical interactions. If you drop a vase it will fall, and break -- by natural, automatic laws of physics.
If you put salt in water it will dissolve -- by natural, automatic laws of chemistry.
These all happen without any divine intervention. Why is evolution any different?

 

[Gridiron Man]

You seem to be misinterpreting how the HLA-A gene works. It gives instructions on how to make the surfaces of cells. Invaders do not match this surface and are attacked by the immune system:

HLA-B gene


It is not storing data on diseases. It is simply making a private key that the immune system recognizes. You still do not have an answer to how there are thousands of alleles of this gene. Scientists do. That is an example of mutations that have become fixed in the genome.

You are probably just as unqualified in the area as I am(I mentioned earlier) so I'm not going to argue with you about it.
The thing is people have to think about things, outside the box, try new routes, new ideas, new boundaries than just what's told or known. If not we wouldn't know about evolution and more than likely would still be in the bronze ages.

 

[Valjean]

You really have no clue. Learn what DNA is and then join the discussion.

He means your genome is a mixture of maternal and paternal DNA.
We're getting bogged down by genetic minutiae. Can we get back to the big picture?

 

[Gridiron Man]

Dude, such things are very simple and should be understood by mind.
species may have been evolved by intention which means someone have
planned for it or it just happened to be so without any plan and without any
intention, if the latter isn't by accident and chance then what the heck you call it?

What makes you think species have evolved by intention and what is your evidence for that?

 

[Valjean]

We don;t see variations in species, all are copy and paste, generation after generation,
how then they are a feature of life, and assuming it's then why it should be so?

Yes we do.
Are all the puppies or kittens in a litter identical? Promoting reproductive variation is why we have two sexes. Do you think chihuahuas, mastiffs or maize always existed in their present forms?

 

[Subduction Zone]

In not misinterpreting any. Your link agrees with much of what I've said.

Also from your link

The HLA-B gene has many possible variations, allowing each person's immune system to react to a wide range of foreign invaders. Hundreds of versions (alleles) of the HLA-Bgene are known, each of which is given a particular number (such as HLA-B27). Closely related alleles are categorized together; for example, more than 60 very similar alleles are subtypes of HLA-B27. These subtypes are designated as HLA-B*2701 to HLA-B*2763.

All I can do is point out the obvious that you are wrong again. And yes, there are countless different mutations of that gene.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He means your genome is a mixture of maternal and paternal DNA.
We're getting bogged down by genetic minutiae. Can we get back to the big picture?

He is trying to use that to claim mutations do not exist. And he does not appear to understand that "mixing" does not exist within genes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are probably just as unqualified in the area as I am(I mentioned earlier) so I'm not going to argue with you about it.
The thing is people have to think about things, outside the box, try new routes, new ideas, new boundaries than just what's told or known. If not we wouldn't know about evolution and more than likely would still be in the bronze ages.

With your misunderstanding of DNA it is obvious you are even less qualified than I am. There are times when thinking outside of the box leads to new knowledge, but one must first understand the box to do so.

 

[Bear Wild]

we saddle and bridle horses .....break their 'spirit'
they take us wherever we desire to go

we take the freedom to hunt in pack from the dog
we collar and chain the animal
we forbid he bite the hand that feeds him
and we expect loyalty

we cage little birds for their love song
that creature will never find the mate he sings for
no nest....no eggs....no offspring
he will die confined....in solitude

we kill bugs just because we don't like them

and God said to the angelic.....Man is created less than you
therefore .....seek after him that he not stub his toe nor dash his head

One third of heaven said .....nay
that Man is less.....he should be made to serve us

there is nothing wrong with that logic
we do so....unto anything less than us
even unto each other

to whom do we bear resemblance?

a fight broke out....swords drawn....brother angel against brother angel

one third of heaven lost their positions....
over an argument about something that looks like ......us
They want us dead

two thirds of heaven lost their brothers over that same argument
about us
They might not care.....
about us

and to whom do we bear resemblance?

to say anything less.....is naive

so I believe

You seem to communicate in a poetic form in structure and form but It can be too cryptic at times and too difficult to be certain at what you are saying. In this case you seem to be indicating how you can dominate other life. Maybe you should open the bird cage and set the horse free and see your non-human relatives as equals. Different but equals and view them with respect.

 

[Thief]

You seem to communicate in a poetic form in structure and form but It can be too cryptic at times and too difficult to be certain at what you are saying. In this case you seem to be indicating how you can dominate other life. Maybe you should open the bird cage and set the horse free and see your non-human relatives as equals. Different but equals and view them with respect.

and the angelic will see you as an equal?

and yeah.....you didn't really think about that post

 

[Bear Wild]

and the angelic will see you as an equal?

and yeah.....you didn't really think about that post

So are you saying that all life is seen as equal?