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I have issues with Islam
- Thread starter Spiderman
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Woodrow LI
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Where did you get that from? I never said that...
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catch22
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You aren't alone in your questioning nor frustration with Islam. If you're up for a quick go around in the origins of Islam, you should start asking questions about how it sprung up, what it replaced, and the legitimacy of its founder.
In doing this, I discovered it was founded by either a demonic spiritual attack or epilepsy. Maybe both. Hard to say. Neither is divine, however, and neither should be trusted as the basis for any authority.
It's not really a deep read into the quran to see it's not a religion of peace, nor is their god merciful, etc. What I'm saying is, it may pose as an abrahamic religion, but it's something else.
Sakeenah
Well-Known Member
Its an abrahamic religion..its all I have to say in this thread..I see no point In discussing with people who arent willing to stop for 1 sec and read what others have to say. But keep repeating the same arguments over and over again. This shows me that a person is discussing a topic for the sake of debating and 'proving ' that others are wrong.. Instead of trying to understand others view point..or at least respecting if you don't agree. But please continue if that makes you feel intellectual.
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catch22
Active Member
Sure, it says that. It says that Abraham was a Muslim too, but that wasn't true then, and it isn't true now.
Sakeenah
Well-Known Member
Could you explain me what the word Muslim means linguistically and when its used within the Quran?
No copy and paste please just explain me in simple terms
catch22
Active Member
It means a follower of islam. Islam didn't exist in Abraham's time. Honestly, I see what you're trying to do here because the arabic root means submission/surrender to the one true God. But coming along 1500 years later and saying he was a muslim does not make him a muslim.
Would be like Nazis saying all german people forever were actually Nazis, prior to nazis existing. Sorry, but no.
This wouldn't be anything more than the a mincing of words if indeed the god of the quran was the same god of Israel.
Are you going to tell me you worship the God of Israel? Please, I'd love to hear it.
Sakeenah
Well-Known Member
Its good that you would love to hear that
because as a Muslim I worship the god of Israel..who was a prophet peace be upon him..and the same god Moses,Abraham and Jesus worshipped.A Muslim..is simply an Arabic term for the one who surrenders himself to the will of god. Abraham did this which makes him in that sense a Muslim.
Woodrow LI
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Close, but not quite on target.
A hint-- all people that submit to serving God and follow the teachings of the Prophets(PBUT) are performing the act of Islam
A person who performs the act of Islam is a Muslim all Jews and those before them that followed the prophets revealed to them performed the act of Islam.
All Christians that followed the teachings of Jesus(as) performed the act of Islam
Spiderman
Veteran Member
If a Christian surrenders themselves to the will of God does that make them a Muslim?Its good that you would love to hear that
A Muslim..is simply an Arabic term for the one who surrenders himself to the will of god. Abraham did this which makes him in that sense a Muslim.
Sakeenah
Well-Known Member
In islam..If a Christian surrenders to the will of god..means he will accept that god chose prophets like abraham,noah,Moses,Jesus and Muhammed to call people to the worship of one god and following the example of those messengers. If a Christian accepts this he's a Muslim..
Woodrow LI
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Yes if they truly submitted to God. and follow the teachings of all the Prophets that have been revealed.
Those that lived before Muhammad(saaws) that would be all the Prophets revealed to the Jews plus John the Baptist and Jesus, Those born after Muhammad(saaws) that would be all of the Prophets revealed to the Jews plus John the Baptist, Plus Jesus Plus Muhammad
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Did you actually watch that news report?
It was about Muslims attacking European Embassies in Syria over cartoon effigies of Muhammad.
Now....... you need to focus on the simple fact that street murders such as Lee Rigby's, or Islamic Extremist terrorists attempts discovered and put doiwn by our intelligence services........ etc etc.... don't seem to get much attatention from your Leaders. Oh sorry...... you don't have any leaders.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Good!
We're all on the same page after all...... that's lovely....
What I don't understand is how you write stuff like :-
Would you like to enlarge upon that?
I tell you straight....... any facetious approach in respect of one sect or another just ain't going to help. It certainly won't help to reduce the killing........
I'm just sayin'.......
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
My God!
You picked a bad one there.
Moslem extremists were going round in East London, trying to apply Sharia Law, and the speaker who seems as if he is criticising their actions then says
'....... of course, I cannot go to them and tell them that they are breaking the law.....'
You should watch your own videos, my friend..... they are showing exactly what I have previously told you about......