godnotgod
Thou art That
You want to stay asleep in the dream? Nice 'n comfy.
Think: the dream you are in is the kool-aid!
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If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?
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You want to stay asleep in the dream? Nice 'n comfy.
Think: the dream you are in is the kool-aid!
godnotgod
Thou art That
???
Its a particle vibrating at a frequency nearly impossible to detect.
godnotgod
Thou art That
godnotgod
Thou art That
Is it material in nature?
The brain is the most powerful machine we know of. It can do wonderous things including giving us the illusion that we are tapping into more than there actually is.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Think of how much more powerful Consciousness is in that it is responsible for the Universe you see, including the brain.
The brain is also where delusion occurs.
Sure why not, its something that exists and isn't nothing.
Sure, just like its where clarity occurs.
Aupmanyav
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The Hindu idea is not/never that the material reality is 'maya', in no branch of Hindu philosophy. Some philosophies say that the way it is perceived is not true. That is 'maya' (Advaita, Mayavada, snake and rope). At the back of the wrongly perceived reality is what is actually real, Brahman. So in effect, all things are Brahman only - 'Sarvam Khalu Idam Brahma'. You need to revise your information on Hindu philosophies. Wikipedia explains them nicely. Nothing is actually being created because you are perceiving Brahman which exists everywhere in your own way giving rise to the feeling that things are created. The bedrock still is Brahman. All that happens in time and space. And that Brahman is incessantly changing. Material reality is not a dream, it is a fact, but at a lower level - Vyavaharika Satya. The absolute truth is Brahman only, the Parmarthika Satya. Consciousness arises in living beings because of how what constitutes it (Brahman) gets configured. When that configuration is destroyed, consciousness of a living being also is destroyed. Human consciousness is a very local thing.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
"In listening to Thurman, it sounds to me as if he is saying that the atom is not solid material, and that there is a collapse of the material into the non-material at some point. This is in accordance with Quantum Physics."
Sure, atom can be taken as energy, non-material. But that is not the same as a 'void' or 'absolute nothing' according to quantum physics.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Yet the distinction is made between actual and virtual particles.
godnotgod
Thou art That
But only within context of what the brain was designed for: perceptual reality, and even then, it errs. So why trust it to get you the ultimate reality?
godnotgod
Thou art That
We have proven that it is non-local, and the experiment has now been repeated several times. The idea of localized human consciousness is now the old paradigm that most people still adhere to, just as they cannot yet accept the Quantum world and still cling to Newtonian biliard ball physics and Relativity. Do you want me to post the video once again?
I agree with all you've stated re: Brahman except for your position that Brahman is not maya. The world is indeed Brahman, playing itself as 'the world', otherwise known as maya. How can you say that the world is real, when it is maya, that we wrongly perceive as being real.
One example that the material reality is maya comes from the Vedantist Vivekenanda, that I repeat often:
"The Universe IS The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation", and again clearly here:
http://www.discovervedanta.com/downloads/articles/brahman-and-maya.pdf
If, as you say, nothing is being created because Brahman is everywhere, then too, nothing is interacting nor changing, because there is nothing to interact or change, Brahman being The Changeless Absolute. Wikipedia clearly states that:
"It [Brahman] is the pervasive, genderless, infinite, eternal truth and bliss which does not change, yet is the cause of all changes"
No! Nothing happens in Time and Space because Time and Space are concepts only; not realities! The Big Bang 'occurred' in Not-Time and Not-Space, since Space-Time was theoretically created WITH the BB, but was not present prior to the BB.
You alluded to 'that Brahman', as if there are two Brahmans: the Absolute Brahman and the material Brahman. No. There is only Brahman, and the world is in fact Brahman, playing as the world.
Only the configuration is destroyed; Consciousness, which is Brahman, cannot be destroyed.
godnotgod
Thou art That
No! That is not what Thurman is saying. He is only saying, as the Buddha said, that the atom is not the final indivisible reality we thought it to be. Having said that, what we call 'something' is of a material nature. But because of this collapse, it is not material. It only behaves AS IF it is material. Therefore, it is virtual. Thurman did say that it 'disappears'. If it disappears, there is nothing there. Or do you still see something there?
Jumi
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Can't say I've always been. In my experience memories start at age 3 and consciousness had slowly developed into adulthood.
godnotgod
Thou art That
"All things -- from Brahma the creator down to a single blade of grass -- are. . .simply appearances and not real."
Shankara, the famous Hindu philosopher
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http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/maya.asp
This is in perfect accordance with Vivekenanda's statement that:
"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"
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"The analogy of materialism rested upon the illusion that the kind of existence, the direct 'actuality' of the world around us, can be extrapolated into the atomic range. This extrapolation, however, is impossible...Atoms are not things."
Walter Heisenberg
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godnotgod
Thou art That
No, not 'you', meaning 'I' from your perspective. 'I' only exists as a result of our social indoctrination, but consciousness is always present. It is not consciousness that is 'developed'; it is the 'I', in turn developed by the thinking mind, a self-created principle.
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