If God exists why does He allow suffering?

[viole]

Pretty much.

Don't get hit by a bus.

New mutations are multiplying fast on a global scale.

The P1 variant is in New York.

Stay safe and all that

Thanks, but I would say that I get hit by a bus, and your flavor of God exists, that would probably be the most reliable way for me to find out.

anyway, I rate the chance of me crashing at 200+ KMH on a German freeway much higher than dying of covid.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Koldo]

OK, I now see why we have a misunderstanding. When you wrote that "It is logically possible to grant humans the utmost moral progress instantly." I didn't realize that you thought it logical that that kind of world could teach humans with free will to progress morally. No, that isn't logical.

I thought you were offering a world where everyone is created good which doesn't logically teach us anything. That's why I answered:"I can't tell you why it didn't create the world as you would have wanted it. I can only speculate that it probably could have but didn't want to."

To teach is to grant knowledge of some kind. Being created good is to be taught to be good from the very start.

If God didn't want to teach us to be good from the very start in one go but rather chose to make us undergo suffering to eventually learn how to be good, then God is not the utmost benevolent being that one could possibly be. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[oldbadger]

I don't believe in the nature Mother God.

Fair enough, but I expect you do believe in nature. Yes?

 

[joe1776]

To teach is to grant knowledge of some kind. Being created good is to be taught to be good from the very start.

If you think that statement is logical, there's nothing I can say to you that would persuade you to change your mind.So, I'll pass on further discussion and allow any unbiased readers who might pass by to judge our "debate.".

 

[Colt]

Fair enough, but I expect you do believe in nature. Yes?

Yes, nature is in a limited since the "habit of God". But nature doesn't have a mind or will for the children of God. The will of God can be found in the personal presence of God's spirit within us.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Probably. And wouldn’t have been better to abort him?

You say that because you're female.

You think all babies are innocent.

So, either they go to heaven immediately, or not. In the latter case, we got rid of them on time.

sounds logical, doesn’t it? Win win situation.

If you're talking about the bad babies yes.

Richard Ramirez, Charlie Manson.

Btw, I see no problem whatsoever with abortion. Especially when the terminated embryo is so young that only a microbiologist would tell the difference from the embryo of an amoeba. Why people think that terminating blastocysts is, from my point of view, mind boggling.

As I say, the issue is besides the point I'm trying to show.

Some of those aborted fetuses would have helped to accumulate to a specific number.

The resurrection can't begin until they are all here.

Anything that would delay them, contraceptives, abortion pill, same sex marriage, all these would buy Satan more time.

ciao

- dave

 

[viole]

You think all babies are innocent.

What has that to do with being a female? And I am not addressing babies, yet, but just bunch of duplicating cells that are virtually identical to the same bunch coming from a rat.

How can a blastocyst be guilty of anything? or more guilty than other blastocysts?

ciao

- viole

 

[Dave Watchman]

Thanks, but I would say that I get hit by a bus, and your flavor of God exists, that would probably be the most reliable way for me to find out.

I can't argue with that.

If your curiosity eclipses your desire to be found on the right side of the equation.

This still doesn't make you sound like a Gnostic Atheist.

anyway, I rate the chance of me crashing at 200+ KMH on a German freeway much higher than dying of covid.

And who would wish for such a thing.

And possibly miss the greatest event in the history of mankind.

Stephen Hawking would have loved to see one of our days.

Chow for now.

- Dave

 

[Pete in Panama]

The government is severely cutting back on the use of opioids even for terminally ill people. It's not uncommon for doctors to refuse to prescribe them to dying people in pain for fear of losing their license so you're in luck. Those who want to be zonked at the end of their lives, however might face a challenge unless things change politically. That said, I think Alzheimers is the kindest disease to die from because you don't know you're dying. You just die.

Politics change and who knows what country I'll be in when I kick off, but as far as Alzheimer's goes my take on my sister dying from it was that she was just as smart at the end but she was VERY VERY slow.

There's a lot to be said for the various ways of dying but as far as I know we don't have much of a choice --and when the time comes our choice is whether we want to indulge in self pity or do what we can w/ the time remaining.

 

[Dave Watchman]

What has that to do with being a female?

Because women love babies.

It's their maternal instinct.

And I am not addressing babies, yet, but just bunch of duplicating cells that are virtually identical to the same bunch coming from a rat.

How can a blastocyst be guilty of anything? or more guilty than other blastocysts?

You might be right.

But what I'm saying is different.

Anything that prevents new human life from being born into the world, buys Lucifer additional time.

Satan has created his own delay.

Chow Mein

- Dave

 

[viole]

I can't argue with that.

If your curiosity eclipses your desire to be found on the right side of the equation.

This still doesn't make you sound like a Gnostic Atheist.

Why not? Knowledge does not entail certainty.

And who would wish for such a thing.

And possibly miss the greatest event in the history of mankind.

Stephen Hawking would have loved to see one of our days.

Chow for now.

- Dave

Dave, that will never happen. That is just a religious belief, as plausible of other beliefs, like that aliens hiding behind a comet will pick up our souls to heaven. It’s a myth.

even if you live 150 years, you will not witness that. Because that will never happen.

You really need to start taking this as a serious possibility.

ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Because women love babies.

It's their maternal instinct.

You might be right.

But what I'm saying is different.

Anything that prevents new human life from being born into the world, buys Lucifer additional time.

Satan has created his own delay.

Chow Mein

- Dave

May I then suggest to the Almighty that He suspends the occurence of spontaneous miscarriages? Just to beat Satan on the finish line, you know.

ciao

- viole

 

[Dave Watchman]

Why not? Knowledge does not entail certainty.

Because there's a time to live, and a time to die.

The more time we live, the more chance to find the truth.

Why rush life?

Dave, that will never happen. That is just a religious belief, as plausible of other beliefs, like that aliens hiding behind a comet will pick up our souls to heaven. It’s a myth.

even if you live 150 years, you will not witness that. Because that will never happen.

You really need to start taking this as a serious possibility.

No doubt, I'll be a dummie if it's doesn't happen.

even if you live 150 years, you will not witness that. Because that will never happen.

Are you talking about aliens hiding behind a comet that will pick up our souls to heaven?

Or the second coming of Jesus?

Sorry, I rechecked the indicators.

We're still go at throttle up.

The only way I can be wrong is if the Knesset Jews of 1969 were playing a practical joke that included Suleiman the Magnificent in 1535.

The 7 and 62 weeks are a unique Fingerprint.

Chow Mein

- Dave

 

[viole]

Are you talking about aliens hiding behind a comet that will pick up our souls to heaven?

Or the second coming of Jesus?

Nope. What I am saying is that both things have the same evidence of being true.

So, I would not hold my breath that aliens will appear soon. Or Jesus, as a matter of fact.

ciao

- viole

 

[Dave Watchman]

May I then suggest to the Almighty that He suspends the occurence of spontaneous miscarriages? Just to beat Satan on the finish line, you know.

That's not a bad idea.

You might be on to something.

Compare the number of abortions, to the number of spontaneous miscarriages.

According to WHO, every year in the world there are an estimated 40-50 million abortions. This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day.

Women Now Have As Many Miscarriages As Abortions
By Mandy Oaklander
December 11, 2015 12:01 AM EST

Women Now Have As Many Miscarriages As Abortions

And I am not addressing babies, yet, but just bunch of duplicating cells that are virtually identical to the same bunch coming from a rat.

How can a blastocyst be guilty of anything? or more guilty than other blastocysts?

But, many of these abortions, some close to full term, are much more substantial forms of life, than as you put it, just bunch of duplicating cells.

Ciao for now.

- Dave

 

[viole]

That's not a bad idea.

You might be on to something.

Compare the number of abortions, to the number of spontaneous miscarriages.

According to WHO, every year in the world there are an estimated 40-50 million abortions. This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day.

Women Now Have As Many Miscarriages As Abortions
By Mandy Oaklander
December 11, 2015 12:01 AM EST

Women Now Have As Many Miscarriages As Abortions



But, many of these abortions, some close to full term, are much more substantial forms of life, than as you put it, just bunch of duplicating cells.

Ciao for now.

- Dave

So, for God, what counts? The number of souls, of the weight of carbon of the embryo terminated?

ciao

- viole

 

[Dave Watchman]

Nope. What I am saying is that both things have the same evidence of being true.

So, I would not hold my breath that aliens will appear soon. Or Jesus, as a matter of fact.

Dreadful sorry Viole, both do not have the same evidence.

You aliens implicated in the construction of the pyramids, are not in the same league as my God responsible for the Biblical Authorship.

2000 years is like 2 days to Him.

And it's not up yet.

Time to switch to Agnostic Atheism.

Ciao

- Dave

 

[viole]

Dreadful sorry Viole, both do not have the same evidence.

You aliens implicated in the construction of the pyramids, are not in the same league as my God responsible for the Biblical Authorship.

2000 years is like 2 days to Him.

And it's not up yet.

Time to switch to Agnostic Atheism.

Ciao

- Dave

Biblical authorship? But the Bible is totally wrong already at page one. How could have God author it?

ciao

- viole

 

[Dave Watchman]

So, for God, what counts? The number of souls, of the weight of carbon of the embryo terminated?

That I don't know.

But I think I can detect Satan's efforts in this arena and others.

Couple this with the doctrines of salvation, (Calvinism), and I suspect this is how Satan has delayed the end time events.

Chow for now.

- Dave

 

[viole]

That I don't know.

But I think I can detect Satan's efforts in this arena and others.

Couple this with the doctrines of salvation, (Calvinism), and I suspect this is how Satan has delayed the end time events.

Chow for now.

- Dave

And God did not see that coming?

he reminds me of those people who make train schedules, and then communicate a delay on account of some problems on the line.

ciao

- viole