I'm now a vegetarian!!!

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I would have no problem not eating red meat (it takes too long to digest really), but I could never give up seafood. But a nice juicy steak...mmmmmmmmm It is delicious!

 

[darkpenguin]

If we weren't meant to eat meat at all, then we wouldn't need protein for our bodies to function properly. Sure, some plant sources have protein, but think thousands of years ago when our bodies still needed a good amount of protein, and there were no "guides for vegetarian living". Animal products and beans are the only real sources for protein.

You forgot Mushrooms!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn

 

[Jaymes]

Heya Kungfuzed,
I salivate at the sight and smell of cooked meat as well. I think that you will find that most vegetarians enjoy the taste and smell of meat as much as anyone. Afterall, we do have substitutes for some sorts of meat that are near indistinguishable from the real thing (not there yet with burgers and bacon, however). Weeding out the desire for meat is therefore not a requirement for vegetarianism and doesn't seem to be a common motivation either.

I'll admit that I salivate at the smell of meat sometimes, but more often than not it's the smell of the spices I'm salivating at, not the meat itself. I lifted a lid to a pot to see what my grandma was cooking this morning, and it was beef, no spices. I almost threw up. :cover: Meat by itself is usually pretty bland (and smells nasty to me because of all the fat).

However, on the subject of meat substitutes, I have omnivore friends that prefer Gardenburger riblets to the real thing.

 

[Fluffy]

I don't advise Quorn to anyone but UK veggies. I know they don't use battery eggs in the UK anymore (I boycotted them till they switched) but I am unsure about other countries.

And its not a mushroom . I can't stand mushrooms and hate the way that all restaurants immediatly assume that vegetarians love mushrooms and pile them all over their veggie options.

@Jaymes,
Ahhh whenever I have to go into Burger King, the smell of a Double Bacon Cheese Burger really gets me going. Just thinking about it is causing me to salivate lol .

 

[darkpenguin]

Mushrooms are awesome lol

 

[Jaymes]

I don't advise Quorn to anyone but UK veggies. I know they don't use battery eggs in the UK anymore (I boycotted them till they switched) but I am unsure about other countries.

Sadly Morningstar Farms also uses battery-farmed eggs. From what I understand several vegan and vegetarian groups are putting pressure on them to either stop using eggs or switch to nonbattery-farmed eggs. I hope they're as successful here as they were in the UK!

 

[SoyLeche]

Meat by itself is usually pretty bland (and smells nasty to me because of all the fat).

You haven't had a good steak then. If it is a high quality cut you don't need anything else on it (maybe a bit of salt and pepper, but that's optional too)

 

[Jaymes]

You haven't had a good steak then. If it is a high quality cut you don't need anything else on it (maybe a bit of salt and pepper, but that's optional too)

When I did eat steak I can't say I could ever stomach any that wasn't spiced well, and I can't say I want to go try to find one that doesn't need to be spiced.

 

[SoyLeche]

When I did eat steak I can't say I could ever stomach any that wasn't spiced well, and I can't say I want to go try to find one that doesn't need to be spiced.

The best steak I've ever had cost upwards of $50. Luckily, I wasn't paying for it, my boss was

 

[MaddLlama]

You forgot Mushrooms!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn

I always forget about those. I'm allergic to mushrooms so I try to pretend they don't exist

 

[BFD_Zayl]

I kill my own food, usually venison, rabbit, the occasional squirrell for stew, only time i buy meat is from a freind who kills using the bolt method (A bolt shoots throughs the animals brain, dead before it goes limp) and its also organic, no steroids or chemicals. besides if i miss my shot, i slit the throat. but i rarely miss.

 

[Hema]

I lifted a lid to a pot to see what my grandma was cooking this morning, and it was beef, no spices. I almost threw up.

You too huh! My fiance used to eat meat. He loved it too. Now he's doesn't eat it anymore and just this morning he was telling me that when he was driving near KFC the smell made him feel sick.

 

[Hema]

Yes, we can get protein from sources other than meat and animal products, but it doesn't change the fact that humans are not herbivores. One can choose to only eat vegetables and grains, but that doesn't mean that humans are not biologically meant to eat meat.

Like I said, humans are the only species undecided about their ideal diet so people exercise their own choice about what to eat but IMO, we have more in common with herbivores.

 

[BFD_Zayl]

I didn't rise to the top of the food chain to eat a damned carrot, meat is food, animals have meat, kill animals to get meat, eat meat, feel happy. now i can understand, ihave seen videos of slaughterhouses and its disgusting, and thats a polite term for it, thats why i bludgeon my own food and make sure its organic.

 

[Flappycat]

Apparently after the animals are stunned they are brain dead and un-aware of whats happening to them but I'm no genious but even I could see from the video that the animals were fully aware of the pain that they were going through as they were bled.

The woman who was explaining the process tried to convince the viewing audience that the spasms were due to lack of blood going to the muscles but for me that explanation didn't wash, it didn't explain why the animals were flinching when they were cut!

I dunno. The body can respond very strangely to blood loss. I'd suggest looking up this information from a source that isn't subject to have a bias.

I think though that anybody who does eat meat should know where it comes from and take time to watch these videos.

Yes. It's very interesting, but watching the same sort of thing back when I went out with my father on his hunting trips is one of the reasons that I'm more comfortable with fish and poultry than with cuts from larger animals. I've snapped the necks of a few birds in my day, and it had no effect on me. The movements were too primitive to really register with me. I've killed and helped clean plenty of fish as well, and these affected me less than the birds. The deer, on the other hand, cut clear through to me, and I have decided that ground turkey makes a wonderful substitute for beef if you have the right seasonings.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

I drool at the sight of raw veggies. I love to see a fresh salad. I have drooled at the sight of tomatoes in my dad's kitchen garden once. Thank you for respecting our moral choice but don't tell me that I can't back it up with biology. If it doesn't make sense to you it makes sense to me. I'm not a chimp. I'm a human being and no, I don't think we evolved from chimps. Human beings do however, have more in common with herbivores. Apart from my previous points, it should also be noted that the enzymes in our saliva that start breaking down food in our mouths and the early part of the digestive tract are of a low acidity level and in alignment with a plant based diet. Humans are the only species on earth who have no idea what their ideal diet is, so we all have free choice. No one is forcing you to stop eating meat. These are just my reasons why vegetarianism makes more sense to me.

We also don't effectively digest cellulose, which if we were herbivores we would. We'd also have several stomachs like cows or be eating our own specialised form of fecal matter like rabbits or hares in order to do so.
Then again, Pandas don't effectively digest cellulose either being biological carnivores, but it doesn't stop them feeding themselves reams of the stuff in a daily basis, which they have to do just so they don't drop dead from malnutrition.
If you read my post I did say the western diet is too heavily weighted toward meat, and we didn't evolve from chimps, we share a common ancestor. We also have the same number of tooth structures and differ only marginally on a genetic level. If you want to look for an ideal diet, it makes sense to go to the thing most like you and take a look. Human beings have more in common with chimps than they do with herbivores.
Enzymes are catalysts for a chemical reaction, they don't work by dissolving things with acidity. They aid in disassembly by speeding up the reaction.
I have no issue with your choice,or anyones choice. It just gets up my nose when people can't just say - 'this is my choice for whatever reason and the rest of you can get bent if you don't like it' - but have to add,' you know you're all actually wrong because this biological stuff I'm coming up with that isn't actually right backs me up'. It's the vegetarian equivalent of mythology and it really isn't necessary.
If it doesn't make sense to me then perhaps it has something to do with me not needing some none existent scientific justification for a personal choice. Should I choose to become vegetarian, I still wont need a scientific justification for it, because I'll be content that it was a choice that needs no more than my personal reasons for making it, to be justifiable.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

I would have no problem not eating red meat (it takes too long to digest really), but I could never give up seafood. But a nice juicy steak...mmmmmmmmm It is delicious!

Then eat a smaller steak and it wont make you feel blah later...from what I've seen on tv and been told by family members who've been to the US, your meat servings over there are of obscene proportions. :cover:
And what in god's name possesses a person to go to a restaurant and eat a chunk of meat that is essentially a whole primal rather than the 10 steaks it should have been cut into, on a dare?

 

[BFD_Zayl]

We also don't effectively digest cellulose, which if we were herbivores we would. We'd also have several stomachs like cows or be eating our own specialised form of fecal matter like rabbits or hares in order to do so.
Then again, Pandas don't effectively digest cellulose either being biological carnivores, but it doesn't stop them feeding themselves reams of the stuff in a daily basis, which they have to do just so they don't drop dead from malnutrition.
If you read my post I did say the western diet is too heavily weighted toward meat, and we didn't evolve from chimps, we share a common ancestor. We also have the same number of tooth structures and differ only marginally on a genetic level. If you want to look for an ideal diet, it makes sense to go to the thing most like you and take a look. Human beings have more in common with chimps than they do with herbivores.
Enzymes are catalysts for a chemical reaction, they don't work by dissolving things with acidity. They aid in disassembly by speeding up the reaction.
I have no issue with your choice,or anyones choice. It just gets up my nose when people can't just say - 'this is my choice for whatever reason and the rest of you can get bent if you don't like it' - but have to add,' you know you're all actually wrong because this biological stuff I'm coming up with that isn't actually right backs me up'. It's the vegetarian equivalent of mythology and it really isn't necessary.
If it doesn't make sense to me then perhaps it has something to do with me not needing some none existent scientific justification for a personal choice. Should I choose to become vegetarian, I still wont need a scientific justification for it, because I'll be content that it was a choice that needs no more than my personal reasons for making it, to be justifiable.

hahahahahahahahahaha////drop[ dead!!! hahahahahahaa!

 

[darkpenguin]

Again more reasons why I will never eat meat again!

Warning, these videos are graphic and may be offensive!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vp-aFB0Cck

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5097245970111922287&q=peta

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-513747926833909134&q=peta

To be honest I don't see why videos like this shouldn't be shown to kids at school.
They of all people have the right to know where their food comes from and when me and my fiance do have kids they will know where it comes from!

 

[Hema]

We also don't effectively digest cellulose, which if we were herbivores we would. We'd also have several stomachs like cows or be eating our own specialised form of fecal matter like rabbits or hares in order to do so.
Then again, Pandas don't effectively digest cellulose either being biological carnivores, but it doesn't stop them feeding themselves reams of the stuff in a daily basis, which they have to do just so they don't drop dead from malnutrition.
If you read my post I did say the western diet is too heavily weighted toward meat, and we didn't evolve from chimps, we share a common ancestor. We also have the same number of tooth structures and differ only marginally on a genetic level. If you want to look for an ideal diet, it makes sense to go to the thing most like you and take a look. Human beings have more in common with chimps than they do with herbivores.
Enzymes are catalysts for a chemical reaction, they don't work by dissolving things with acidity. They aid in disassembly by speeding up the reaction.
I have no issue with your choice,or anyones choice. It just gets up my nose when people can't just say - 'this is my choice for whatever reason and the rest of you can get bent if you don't like it' - but have to add,' you know you're all actually wrong because this biological stuff I'm coming up with that isn't actually right backs me up'. It's the vegetarian equivalent of mythology and it really isn't necessary.
If it doesn't make sense to me then perhaps it has something to do with me not needing some none existent scientific justification for a personal choice. Should I choose to become vegetarian, I still wont need a scientific justification for it, because I'll be content that it was a choice that needs no more than my personal reasons for making it, to be justifiable.

Although we can't digest cellulose it is still a vital part of our diet because we need the roughage or fiber. The reason for me bringing up this biological talk is to back up darkpenguin’s statement that we don’t need meat to survive. Our bodies will be perfectly fine if we don’t eat meat. I know that our stomach’s are not like a cow’s but our intestines are three times shorter than a lion’s. They digest and eliminate meat before it becomes petrified. I’m just saying that we have more in common with herbivores. If you don’t think so, then fine…you are entitled to your opinion. I’m just here to support darkpenguin with his new decision.