Is Baha'u'llah true or false Prophet?

[CG Didymus]

Back when I was investigating the exaggeration of number of adherents, I researched it locally. The official website of Bahai Canada listed about 50 Baha'i localities here in western Canada, where I live. I hadn't even heard of some of them even though I live here. Several were incredibly small, and one (at least) was a ghost town. In the exuberance to exaggerate they couldn't even research it, and must have used an old map. Oh well. When you click on the contact for each place, it just takes you back to the Canadiian headquarters and the basic information.

Here in my city of 1.3 million there is one small center. Not sure how many people go to feasts. But it certainly proved to me that the 'myth' about Baha'i exaggeration is no myth at all. Nothing would surprise me any more, and in fairness, i don't think the ordinary adherent on the street would even know this. Wiki has the world population at 6 million, but I seriously doubt if it approaches even a million. Anyone can edit wiki.

So if they have no problem distorting this 'truth' what else can they distort?

When I was hanging out with Baha'is in the 70's, I went with them to Indian Reserves in the U.S. and Canada. They were doing a thing called "Mass Teaching". They'd go into the town and knock on doors and invite them to a presentation about the Baha'i Faith and tell them there'd be food. In the towns on the Reserves, everybody knew each other and was related. So if the town had one or two native Baha'is, they were guaranteed a few sisters and cousins would show up. There'd be non-native "pioneering" Baha'is that would go to small towns and live there, which makes it nice for the Statistics Department to include that town in the list of places where there are Baha'is.

Anyway, in these meetings a few people would sign a "Declaration Card" that said they believed in Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i Faith. So now the town had new Baha'is that had to be "Deepened". Or, indoctrinated, no, they don't use that word... They had to be "taught" the basics of being a Baha'i. Which included daily "obligatory" prayers and going to the 19 Feast. Since the group I was with wasn't from there, they'd move on to the next town. So who knows whatever happened to these new Baha'is. Some of them might be part of that 6 million but maybe have never been to another Baha'i meeting. Who knows? Only the Baha'i Gods know.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I agree. Most prophecies were not literally fulfilled by Bahaullah, but all prophecies symbolically were fulfilled by Him. You think if prophecies were not fulfilled literally, it means they failed, and He is not what He claims to be, but, I accept it, when prophecies symbolically fulfilled.

There is a table talk by Shoghi Effendi in the Pilgrim notes where He says the Prophecy is firstly Spiritually fulfilled and then can still unfold. In that talk, he said that the Bible Prophecy predicting that 1/3 of mankind may perish, is still valid.

When we consider this, we have been given adequate warning of what we will face.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

It may be because this was foreseen.

"The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody."

It appears that most people choose to wait until thier limbs will be shaken.

There is no doubt the message of Baha'u'llah will prevail. What we have brought upon ourselves, will be hard times for all of us, no one will escape with the same mindset. Life as we know it will need to and will completely change.

Regards Tony

Yes, and Christians agree. All the bad stuff comes to teach all us evil sinners a lesson, and then Jesus comes back. For you, He came and went. People didn't heed the word, so we're all going to go through a great upheaval and then realize that "Hey, maybe Tony was right. The Baha'i Faith has some pretty good ideas. Let's give it a try." Either way, we're heading toward disaster before it gets better.

 

[Vinayaka]

When I was hanging out with Baha'is in the 70's, I went with them to Indian Reserves in the U.S. and Canada. They were doing a thing called "Mass Teaching". They'd go into the town and knock on doors and invite them to a presentation about the Baha'i Faith and tell them there'd be food. In the towns on the Reserves, everybody knew each other and was related. So if the town had one or two native Baha'is, they were guaranteed a few sisters and cousins would show up. There'd be non-native "pioneering" Baha'is that would go to small towns and live there, which makes it nice for the Statistics Department to include that town in the list of places where there are Baha'is.

Anyway, in these meetings a few people would sign a "Declaration Card" that said they believed in Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i Faith. So now the town had new Baha'is that had to be "Deepened". Or, indoctrinated, no, they don't use that word... They had to be "taught" the basics of being a Baha'i. Which included daily "obligatory" prayers and going to the 19 Feast. Since the group I was with wasn't from there, they'd move on to the next town. So who knows whatever happened to these new Baha'is. Some of them might be part of that 6 million but maybe have never been to another Baha'i meeting. Who knows? Only the Baha'i Gods know.

Sad. Indigenous peoples need to get back to their own cultural roots, in my opinion. Too many outsiders have caused so many problems for them. It's all messed, and any further messing would only mess it up even more. But then I'm very against proselytising, as you know. Using food as a lure is despicable.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

When I was hanging out with Baha'is in the 70's, I went with them to Indian Reserves in the U.S. and Canada. They were doing a thing called "Mass Teaching". They'd go into the town and knock on doors and invite them to a presentation about the Baha'i Faith and tell them there'd be food. In the towns on the Reserves, everybody knew each other and was related. So if the town had one or two native Baha'is, they were guaranteed a few sisters and cousins would show up. There'd be non-native "pioneering" Baha'is that would go to small towns and live there, which makes it nice for the Statistics Department to include that town in the list of places where there are Baha'is.

Anyway, in these meetings a few people would sign a "Declaration Card" that said they believed in Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i Faith. So now the town had new Baha'is that had to be "Deepened". Or, indoctrinated, no, they don't use that word... They had to be "taught" the basics of being a Baha'i. Which included daily "obligatory" prayers and going to the 19 Feast. Since the group I was with wasn't from there, they'd move on to the next town. So who knows whatever happened to these new Baha'is. Some of them might be part of that 6 million but maybe have never been to another Baha'i meeting. Who knows? Only the Baha'i Gods know.

No one is removed, unless they asked to be.

In my area back in the 90's about 30 people signed the declararion. Over the years a few asked to be removed and were. Some never followed through, but they will be on the list.

In the end what does it matter? Every Faith will have this happening and what is important are those that live the virtues they beleive.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, and Christians agree. All the bad stuff comes to teach all us evil sinners a lesson, and then Jesus comes back. For you, He came and went. People didn't heed the word, so we're all going to go through a great upheaval and then realize that "Hey, maybe Tony was right. The Baha'i Faith has some pretty good ideas. Let's give it a try." Either way, we're heading toward disaster before it gets better.

I can assure you, you need not be in any way concerned about what Tony has said.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Sad. Indigenous peoples need to get back to their own cultural roots, in my opinion. Too many outsiders have caused so many problems for them. It's all messed, and any further messing would only mess it up even more. But then I'm very against proselytising, as you know. Using food as a lure is despicable.

Welcome back with those little twists, making of hospitality and Love a despicable motive and impute some practices in the past that were not culturally applicable, may have been also practiced by the Baha'is.

Of course you could instead bring statistics to the table that show events held by Baha'is have had led to loss of culture and have been of no net benefit to the community.

Regards Tony

 

[InvestigateTruth]

There is a table talk by Shoghi Effendi in the Pilgrim notes where He says the Prophecy is firstly Spiritually fulfilled and then can still unfold. In that talk, he said that the Bible Prophecy predicting that 1/3 of mankind may perish, is still valid.

When we consider this, we have been given adequate warning of what we will face.

Regards Tony

Yes, on the other hand, the Shia Imams have said to their followers, there can be an alteration in fulfilment of the prophecies regarding Qaim, and even if the prophecies were not fulfilled the way, you expect, you must not deny Him, when He comes.
In fact, the promise of victory is given by other Manifestations as well, and it is not only Bahaullah who gives this promise. Noah was One of Them, who had promised victory of His cause to His followers, but when the promised time came, the promise of victory was not fulfilled, which caused doubts among His followers.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Sad. Indigenous peoples need to get back to their own cultural roots, in my opinion. Too many outsiders have caused so many problems for them. It's all messed, and any further messing would only mess it up even more.

I would offer our unity in our diversity is repectful of culture.

Here is a poem I dedicated & wrote over a period of 7 years to the following person. The last two verses influenced by witnessing the destruction of communities because of alcohol and internal Clan Fighting brought on by loss of culture practiced in the past.

Biography - Rolly (Mpunywithal) Gilbert - Australian Dictionary of Biography

He was a wonderful aboriginal elder who became a Baha'i just prior to passing away, he gave my eldest son a tribal name which meant Pelican (He used to smile and say my son had a big mouth as he was always talking, they had a special bond)

In Memory of Grandad "Rolly Gilbert"

Dreamtime Part 1 (A poem in 3 parts)

Old man Elder, sitting by the fire, drinking billy tea,
reflecting on bygone years and His Races history.
There's a lump in His throat and tears in His eyes,
as He gazes through the fire, knowing of His Cultures demise.

Young men sitting by the fire, drinking alcohol,
minds poisoned by drink, no longer able to be told.

Old Man Elder, His heart begins to tear,
unable to tell those men of His great despair.

The tongues of flame leap high, the fire crackles,
Old Man tilts His head to the ground weary of the battle.
When will these men turn back to their Lord
and give up drink of their own accord?

Old Man Jumps to His feet,
while their is life in Him, He won't be beat.
He starts dancing stories of the Dreamtime,
His feet pound the dusty soil, His voice echos in rhyme.

Young men in awe, drop their alcohol,
witnessing the power of the dance and the story being told.
They rise, slowly to their feet,
joining the Old Man and adding to the beat.
Old Man Elder smiles, with wisdom in His eyes,
He knows they stand a chance, while the Culture is alive.

Sun slowly rising like a flame across the sky,
It's up to the young men now, if the culture is not to die.

Old Man Elder and young men sitting by the fire drinking billy tea,
they've come of age. learning about their Culture and History.

A Bristow-Stagg B.E. 148 (1991)

Dreamtime Part 2

Old Man Elder has passed away,
no longer able to have His say.

Dreamtime fades, nearly forgotten,
Old Mans Spirit makes memories begotten.

If there is a chance, though small,
may the race awake and so not fall.

Young men arise, time is nigh,
help Old Man Elder's Spirit fly,
remember the stories told by dance,
passed down by generations, not by chance.

The Culture is written upon your hearts,
only shrouded by the recent past,
written upon the stones and earth,
well before your time of birth.

Culture revival is already planned,
if not by yours a Mightier Hand.
Old Man Elder may have passed away,
but His Spirit still will have Its say.

A Bristow-Stagg BE 154 (1997)

Dreamtime Part 3 The Final Say

The years vanish into the past,
memories of Old Man Elder did not last.

Sitting by the fire, memories reflecting,
dwelling on an ancient cultures neglecting,
are the young men growing old and grey,
wishing they'ed done it in their day.

Stories nearly lost, Dreamtime fading away
culture no longer on display,
Hope! not all is gone,
greying men move on.

Filled with memories of Old Man Elders Dreams
spurred on by His Spirit, or so it seams,
they arise to their feet
and once again dance the beat.

Hopefully the story now will end,
on the future generations we now depend,
to connect with the Spirit and with no surprise,
Old Mans Memories and Culture will have survived.

A Bristow-Stagg B.E. 155 (1998)

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, on the other hand, the Shia Imams have said to their followers, there can be an alteration in fulfilment of the prophecies regarding Qaim, and even if the prophecies were not fulfilled the way, you expect, you must not deny Him, when He comes.
In fact, the promise of victory is given by other Manifestations as well, and it is not only Bahaullah who gives this promise. Noah was One of Them, who had promised victory of His cause to His followers, but when the promised time came, the promise of victory was not fulfilled, which caused doubts among His followers.

Yes I see that is confirmed. I also see that over the passage of time, prophecy also has a material unflodment.

Regards Tony

 

[Dale]

Thank you for your considered responses. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into considering prophetic verses that refer to Baha'u'llah (the Glory of God) in both Ezekiel and Isaiah.

It is probably no coincidence that these two books are considered Messianic in Judaism with many references to future events.

Messiah in Judaism - Wikipedia

Let's consider Isaiah first. The book is set through the 8th century BC in Judea during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah. Some scholars think he may have prophecised for over 60 years. Shalmaneeser V was determined to subdue the Kingdom of Israel,taking over and destroying Samaria in 722 BC. However as long as Ahaz reigned, the kingdom of Judah was untouched by the Assyrian power. But when Hezekiah gained the throne, he was encouraged to rebel "against the king of Assyria" (2 Kings 18:7) and entered into an alliance with the king of Egypt (Isaiah 30:2-4).

According to the account in 2 Kings 19 an angel of God fell on the Assyrian army and 185,000 of its men were killed in one night. Sennacherib never recovered from the disaster in Judah. He made no more expeditions against either the Southern Levant or Egypt.

The remaining years of Hezekiah's reign were peaceful (2 Chronicles 32:23-29). Isaiah probably lived to its close, and possibly into the reign of Manesseh. The time and manner of his death are not specified in either the Bible or other primary sources. However the Talmud says that he suffered martyrdom by being sawn in two under the orders of Manasseh.

Isaiah - Wikipedia

The book of Isaiah gives warnings of the coming judgement of God against the divided kingdomof Israel and Judah, against other nations and even the world. At various stages Isaiah stresses the future glory of Israel and the coming Messiah. Isaiah looks back to the reign of King David as a sign of future blessedness.

The phrase the 'Glory of the Lord' which refers to Baha'u'llah is mentioned four times in Isaiah:

It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.
Isaiah 35:2

And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
Isaiah 40:5

Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the Lord shall be thy reward.
Isaiah 58:8

Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.
Isaiah 60:1

In Isaiah 35:2 reference is made to the future glory of Carmel and Sharon. Carmel is a mountain in Israel that Baha'u'llah visited and also where the Shrine of the Bab is located. Sharon is a costal plain directly to the South of Mount Carmel.

The verses of Isaiah 35 are clearly Messianic and are considered by Christians to refer to the time Christ comes.

Isaiah 35 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete)

In fact the whole chapter refers to a time of great propserity for this region and so can not possibly be the time Christ came as the Jews were exiled not long after with the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD and destruction of the Jewish temple.

I have a lot more to say about Isiah 35 and the other verses but will post at a later stage.

Thank you again for posting.

Isaiah chapter 60

This is Islam coming and the people seeing Gods glory threw Islam at Arabia and the rest of the chapter is about the pilgrimage to Mecca.

1Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

2For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

The pilgrimage to Mecca.

Isaiah chapter 60 and the tribes of Kedar meaning the Arabs all gathering together for a pilgrimage worshiping God at his House at the new Zion or Monument in the desert the other meanings of Zion or tsiyon and the world will come and worship God and the only ones allowed in this place are only believers and nobody else is allowed to come to the house of God Isaiah chapter 35:8 and all the tribes of Arabia will come together at this house of God for a pilgrimage of worship, this is the Kaaba at Mecca and this is the pilgrimage, because at no time in history do all the tribes of Arabia gather together in Israel at the ruins of Solomon's Temple and worship there at the Dome of the Rock, in no way is this Israel , this is Mecca 100% proof. This isn't about Baha'ullah.

Israel has become a tourist attraction and everyone is allowed there this isn't Zion this is Mecca.Isaiah 35 and 60. Psalm 84:6, this isn't about Baha'ullah

Jesus even said to a lady you won't be worshiping God here anymore, you will be worshiping God somewhere else .How can this prophesy be about Jerusalem, when even Jesus said your not worshiping God at this place anymore, but Isaiah says that all the Arabs will gather together and the whole world will come to this house of God and the Arabs will use Camels to come here and people will use ships and fly like the clouds, this whole chapter is about Mecca and not Baha'ullah.

John 4:21
"Woman," Jesus replied, "believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem

If everyone is coming to Jerusalem in Isaiah chapter 60 and 35, Psalm 84:6, then why did Jesus say women your not going to worship God anymore at this Temple or in Jerusalem, because Allah said everyone who worships Allah, will worship him at the new Zion Mecca a monument in the desert and bow down to Mecca at the Kaaba.

Flying like the clouds Bible Isaiah chapter 60.

8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

Using Ships to travel.

9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far,

Isaiah 35 more about Mecca.

ISAIAH, Joy of the Redeemed 35:8

8 And a highway will be there; it will be called the Way of Holiness; it will be for those who walk on that Way.
The unclean will not journey on it; wicked fools will not go about on it.

Based on the following prophecy, it is well known fact that non Muslims are not allowed to enter Mecca. Road blocks are stationed along roads leading to the city. The unclean in the prophecy refers to polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and in the Message of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.


8 And a highway will be there; it will be called the Way of Holiness; it will be for those who walk on that Way. The unclean will not journey on it; wicked fools will not go about on it.

The same statement of non Muslim are unclean to enter the holy city of Mecca Al Mukkaramah is stated below in the Holy Quran - Surah Al Taubah, verse 28).

Surah Al-Taubah (The Repentance) / Chapter 9

28. O you who believe (in Allah's Oneness and in His Messenger (Muhammad )! Verily, the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh, and in the Message of Muhammad ) are Najasun (impure) . So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah) after this year, and if you fear poverty, Allâh will enrich you if He will, out of His Bounty. Surely, Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

Beca the original Arabic name for Mecca in Arabic again mentioned in the Bible as a pilgrimage to Mecca and Zion to Solomon's house of God.

Psalm 84:6
5 Blessed are those whose strength is in You, whose hearts are set on pilgrimage. 6 As they pass through the Valley of Baca, they make it a place of springs; even the autumn rain covers it with pools.

This chapter is speaking about the pilgrimage to Mecca Beca and Jerusalem the House of God that Solomon built in the context and not about a weeping valley witch wouldn't even mean anything to anybody it's speaking about the two pilgrimages in history, Isaiah 60 confirms the pilgrimage to Mecca as well as Isaiah 35 when it says no unbelievers can go there.

Mecca is mentioned numerous times in the Bible and this is how you prove prophecy and truth, by linking everything together.

Ahmad Deedat comments in his book, The Combat Kit:

7. BACA IS MECCA: the holy Ka'ba built by the prophet Abraham (PBUH) and his son Ishmael (PBUH) is in Mecca.

The name Mecca (Makkah) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an in 48:24. Another name for Mecca is Bakka, depending on the dialect of the tribe: this is also mentioned once, in Sura 3:96

"Verily, the first house (of worship) appointed for mankind was that in Bakka (Mecca), full of blessing, and guidance for all people." Amazingly enough, this word Bakka is mentioned by the prophet David (PBUH) in the Bible:

"Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well, the rain also filleth the pools." (Psalm 84:6)

The well here is the well known well of Zam-Zam, still present now, close to the Ka'bah; after thousands of years.

The Christians and European Jews have no clue were this very important valley of Beka is, that the Bible makes clear that it's very important and there's blessings going to this place Beka, and they seenm to think this is just two names of places that both have to do with a pilgrimage to the house of God just happen to have the same name and people are blessed going there and the only ones who actually do this pilgrimage to Beka are totally wrong to actually think Beka is Mecca, go figure, there's no way in hell us Muslims could be ever right about this one, when these blessed Christians and European Jews have no clue were this important place of blessings is. But the Christians have the spirit so why don't they ask it and the European Jews who supposedly actually did this pilgrimage they have no clue either, go figure.

Because this place is Mecca and the other chapters confirm this and Jesus also, Beka is Mecca.

This very important pilgrimage to Mecca, you don't even do and you claim that your prophet is from God, but Allah didn't tell your messenger Baha'ullah to make sure you do the pilgrimage to Mecca and that it's very important that you come to this place to get blessings and go to Israel to get more blessings and you don't even do this you only go to the pilgrimage to your prophets site and you want me to believe in your prophet, who's not following the guidance of Allah.

 

[Dale]

You asked me for a prophecy about Muhammad and it should be clear and easy to understand in the context of the scripture.

This is a true prophesy about Muhammad mentioned in the Bible.

Songs of Solomon chapter 5 verse 10-16

But let us actually hear it in Hebrew and make sure it's actually saying Muhammad.

Video with Biblical text and The Hebrew Language quotes the chapter. it's actually proven he says Muhammad.

Audio http://www.mechon-mamre.org/mp3/t3005.mp3 it's actually proven he says Muhammad.

I believe this is enough proof, but we need to read the full context, so let's actually read it.

Songs of Solomon chapter 5 verse 10 A certain person is being described physically and metaphorically and his worriers are numbered and he's called by name.

Description fulfillment, A radiant Dark skinned Arab of African origin with a reddish dark skin tone verse 15 says his "countenance (face) is as Lebanon"

Not today's race of people, but the ancient races because people invade and take over culture and History.

The ancient skin color and facial features.

Songs of Solomon chapter 5 verse 10

10 My beloved is radiant and ruddy, This is why we read the context of Songs of Solomon chapter 5 when it's talking about a person called ruddy , a very Dark reddish brown skin tone like these Arab kids.

11 His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven. I think the term Bushy Black hair speaks for itself.

There's other verses in Songs of Solomon chapter 5 that discuss other metaphorical descriptions but this isn't the point and isn't worth discussing.

Songs of Solomon chapter 5 verse 10 the chiefest leader among ten thousand.

A leader of ten thousand, a seemingly very important number for Solomon to quote his armies exact number of being ten thousand, the simple reason is they quote his actual name Muhammad and want to make sure you know who he is and exactly who their talking about, and you know his real name, so when he's mentioned in other scriptures and chapters in the the Old and New Testament, you will know it's about Muhammad, if they are actually connected. And he will be the the Leader of ten thousand men, this is exactly what happened when Muhammad and the Muslims conquered Mecca with exactly ten thousand men.

Proof The army of the Muslims that liberated Mecca was made of 10,000 men (From the book of "Muhammad the Prophet" by Maulana Muhammad Ali, pages 128-129). The Bible calls them "ten thousands of saints". Also, in Saheeh Bukhari, 59:574

Hadith and others:
Narrated Ibn `Abbas The Prophet left Medina (for Mecca) in the company of ten-thousand (Muslim warriors) in (the month of) Ramadan, and that was eight and a half years after his migration to Medina. He and the Muslims who were with him, proceeded on their way to Mecca. He was fasting and they were fasting, but when they reached a place called Al-Kadid which was a place of water between 'Usfan and Kudaid, he broke his fast and so did they. (Az-Zuhri said, "One should take the last action of Allah's Apostle and leave his early action (while taking a verdict.").

This is Muhammad in the context because it mentioned historical facts about the ten thousand and describes him and actually says his name Muhammad.

Now more proof the Songs of Solomon actually says his name, or a name Muhammad.

You can't translate names of people.

According to Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary, Mahmad is correctly pronounced "mahamad" (not mahmad) which is very close to Muhammad. Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary defines "Mahmad" as "lovely, coveted one, precious one, praised one".

The correct way to say "praised one" in Arabic is Muhammad, so this is the same word! As was stated before, the name Muhammad (Muhammad) and the word mahmad (Mahmad) are spelled exactly the same way in Hebrew, and both have the same meaning.

The only reason they are pronounced different is because of vowels (dots and lines) introduced in the eighth century.

The Hebrew word for praised one is Mahamad

The Hebrew word for Muhammad (the Arabic Prophet) is Muhammad

Songs of Solomon chapter 5 is discussing a man to come after that time, it is without a doubt Muhammad, as it even mentions his name and the number of his army at a very important time in history, when 10,000 men came with Muhammad to conquer Mecca.

This is why Muhammad is the most well known and studied man in history even more researched then Jesus and Moses throughout the whole world and even getting bigger and when the Bible mentioned his name and a brief part of his history we know why, because he's Gods prophet and God was telling us in Solomon's Songs of celebrations he's coming and he's his friend he's the leader of ten thousand and his name is Muhammad and he's got a ruddy dark reddish skin tone, the typical skin color of the Arabs in Arabia, being and people of color from Adam who was created from Black mud like the Qur'an says and Islamic history saying Adam was Black. The term “adam” means very dark-skinned.

Allah says that He created Adam from black mud. Since Adam was created from black mud, it’s only natural for his complexion to be like that of black mud, which is very “adam.

It's only natural and using common sense that Muhammad would have ruddy dark black or brown skin and not white skin tone, just like this Arab.

This is without hesitation a prophecy about the Messenger of God Muhammad, in the Old Testament.

 

[Muffled]

I believe he is neither a prophet nor a messenger but definitely a religious philosopher. I would put the Buddha in that category as well.

 

[Muffled]

Neither. There is no such thing as prophets. The entire idea is false. You really need someone else to do your work for you? That seems like a copout.

I believe the concept that there are no prophets to be a fantasy.

 

[Muffled]

But had you read, Jesus did say, ( For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem)
This pertains to all of God's prophets, that they will not die any where else but at Jerusalem. Even Christ Jesus himself died at Jerusalem, thereby fulfilling God's Prophets dieing at Jerusalem and no where else but at Jerusalem.

So what Jesus is signifying is that God's Prophets will not die no where else but at Jerusalem
For Christ Jesus himself died at Jerusalem to signify the Prophets of God's shall not die any where else but at Jerusalem.

I believe Jeremiah died in Egypt and technically Jesus died outside the city limits of Jerusalem. Most likely Daniel died in Babylon. I believe Jesus is saying that the authorities have tried to kill prophets in the past and those authorities resided in Jerusalem.

 

[Vinayaka]

I believe the concept that there are no prophets to be a fantasy.

Isn't freedom of religion wonderful? We can have two very diffrent word views, and neither of us will be jailed, prosecuted, or worse, killed, for it.

 

[Sen McGlinn]

and one (at least) was a ghost town.

What was it called ? I'll check it out

 

[TransmutingSoul]

People may judge for themselves. whether or not Baha'u'llah is a true or false Prophet.

Without a shadow of doubt.

Baha'u'llah is a Manifestation of God. The one promised by all scriptures.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

What was it called ? I'll check it out

Here's one. Gallivan, Saskatchewan - Wikipedia

There are several more unincorporated places on this list .. Prairies | Bahá’í Community of Canada

 

[Faithofchristian]

Without a shadow of doubt.

Baha'u'llah is a Manifestation of God. The one promised by all scriptures.

Regards Tony

If Baha'u'llah is a Manifestation of God,
How does Christ Jesus fit into that.