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[Little Dragon]

European culture is has been so thoroughly Christianised that, whether you like it or not, your values have been inescapably formed from these traditions.

Not true at all. Christianity has nothing to do with my beliefs and ethics.

 

[Little Dragon]

ou would celebrate the reintroduction of human sacrifice rape funerals? Or just some cuddly neo-paganism with minimal connection to the past?

What a peculiar and asinine question...as if modern wicca and druidic and other pagan revivalist movements advocate that in their practices and rituals. Why so ridiculous?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

History. The druids the old faith and many other things that existed before the Romans arrived and butchered our culture and imposed their disgusting hedonistic culture and alien belief systems upon my ancestors. Filthy Romans...

So you admire the druids, with their human sacrifice? Interesting.

 

[Little Dragon]

The fact remains, my (and your) values) better match our society than they do theirs, and many of the things they found admirable, you would find repellant.

Then you don't me very well. In fact you have no idea, you can only make an assumption. My values certainly do not line up with values only found in the Christian faith.

 

[Little Dragon]

So you admire the druids, with their human sacrifice? Interesting.

The whole human sacrifice deal was a narrative perpetrated by Roman writers. We have no idea if ancient druids across Britain did practice human sacrifice, and if they did, though that would be an evil today, but what else can you try to tar them with?

 

[Little Dragon]

So you admire the druids, with their human sacrifice? Interesting.

Do you really think they were just about sacrificing people? They had very important status, and we do know that. They had varied roles in society.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The whole human sacrifice deal was a narrative perpetrated by Roman writers. We have no idea if ancient druids across Britain did practice human sacrifice, and if they did, though that would be an evil today, but what else can you try to tar them with?

forget Roman memoirs. We are talking about archeological evidence.

Recent Evidence Suggests Druids Committed Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice

Recent evidence that Druids committed cannibalism and ritual human sacrifice perhaps on a massive scale add weight to ancient Roman accounts of Druidic savagery, archaeologists say.

www.nationalgeographic.com

 

[Augustus]

Not true at all. Christianity has nothing to do with my beliefs and ethics.

You want to think that, but unfortunately it's just denial.

Might as well say modern European culture has nothing to do with my values, which would of course be nonsense.

You already demonstrated these in your last post anyway, so you can pretend otherwise but it's not very persuasive.

What a peculiar and asinine question...as if modern wicca and druidic and other pagan revivalist movements advocate that in their practices and rituals. Why so ridiculous?

Wicca and neo-paganism are modern, middle class religions with almost nothing to do with the 'old faith'. It is asinine and ridiculous to conflate them.

You said you would celebrate the return of the old faith, not the modern, suburban new religious movements that have none of their historical context and meaning.

Also, your line of defence shows how thoroughly alien and unappealing you find the actual old faith.

 

[Little Dragon]

forget Roman memoirs. We are talking about archeological evidence.

Recent Evidence Suggests Druids Committed Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice

Recent evidence that Druids committed cannibalism and ritual human sacrifice perhaps on a massive scale add weight to ancient Roman accounts of Druidic savagery, archaeologists say.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Cool. So the rumours might be true! Well, thats very interesting. What would you like me to say? Because it changes nothing. Our ancient roots are what they are, good and ugly, to deny either of them would be weak.

 

[Little Dragon]

Also, your line of defence shows how thoroughly alien and unappealing you find the actual old faith.

All faiths, all religions. In fact.

 

[Little Dragon]

You said you would celebrate the return of the old faith, not the modern, suburban new religious movements that have none of their historical context and meaning.

The old faith cannot return because it was not documented in writing. Only a revived largely invented version could exist. Obviously.

 

[Augustus]

Our ancient roots are what they are, good and ugly, to deny either of them would be weak.

Is it also weak to deny the Christian roots of modern society and its values, and the good and bad that that involves?

All faiths, all religions. In fact.

Cool, but still doesn't change the fact you are a product of your environment, and that your values are far more culturally Christian than they are ancient pagan.

The fact that you even think you can separate religion from "secular" culture is very Christian, and would make no sense to an ancient pagan.

You continue to prove my point very well.

 

[Little Dragon]

You want to think that, but unfortunately it's just denial.

I do not need the Bible to determine right from wrong. If I did I might end up in prison, facing life.

 

[Little Dragon]

Is it also weak to deny the Christian roots of modern society and its values, and the good and bad that that involves?

Christianity was the invasive faith that along with the elites that brought it, ethnically cleansed my ancient ancestors. This is something, I will not forgive Christianity as a world wide movement, for. It has also ethnically cleansed other cultures in more recent times. That is but the tip of my apathy.

 

[Little Dragon]

Cool, but still doesn't change the fact you are a product of your environment, and that your values are far more culturally Christian than they are ancient pagan.

You do not actually know that...also there is no Christian culture. That I am part of.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Cool. So the rumours might be true! Well, thats very interesting. What would you like me to say? Because it changes nothing. Our ancient roots are what they are, good and ugly, to deny either of them would be weak.

I just think its very interesting that you are so hateful of Christian culture for things like the crusades, but then turn around and idolize Druidism.

 

[Little Dragon]

The fact that you even think you can separate religion from "secular" culture is very Christian, a

Nonsense. 200 years ago, everyone was Christian and secularism was not a well known concept. Christianity was dragged kicking and screaming into the age of reason.

 

[YoursTrue]

The whole human sacrifice deal was a narrative perpetrated by Roman writers. We have no idea if ancient druids across Britain did practice human sacrifice, and if they did, though that would be an evil today, but what else can you try to tar them with?

So the question remains -- do you think or believe whatever god you believe in may want humans to sacrifice humans to them?

 

[Little Dragon]

So the question remains -- do you think or believe whatever god you believe in may want humans to sacrifice humans to them?

I don't believe in Gods. I think there's been a misunderstanding.

Let me explain.

If paganism, modern, revivalist, sacrifice free, eclipsed christianity in this nation, and rededicated all the churches to this neo pagan faith. I would be pleased, since at last an ancient enemy has been banished from the islands.

Lesser of two evils, basically.

 

[Augustus]

I do not need the Bible to determine right from wrong. If I did I might end up in prison, facing life.

The influence of Christianity, its institutions and theology and philosophy is far greater than "the Bible'.

1500 years of shaping a culture tends to have quite a big impact, thinking you can escape this and form your own value system purely out of free will is just a conceit.

Christianity was the invasive faith that along with the elites that brought it, ethnically cleansed my ancient ancestors. This is something, I will not forgive Christianity as a world wide movement, for. It has also ethnically cleansed other cultures in more recent times. That is but the tip of my apathy.

Again, cool, but you keep showing you have far more in common with modern European cultural values than those of your "ancestors".

You are a bit like an American who has never left Texas but insists they are Scottish because their great, great, great, great grandfather was from Kirkaldy as if the past 200 years of your family living in America has not made you almost entirely American (except you are trying to skip the past 2000 years).

The "invaders" are far more your ancestors than the ancient druids who you have next to nothing in common with outside of a nostalgic fantasy. Perhaps you imagine them like Asterix with magic potions and wild boar?

If you were put in the world of your "ancestors", you would be terrified and begging to return home before you were killed or enslaved.

You do not actually know that...also there is no Christian culture. That I am part of.

Again, pretending modern European culture is not significantly the product of 1500 years of Christian influence is as ridiculous as pretending you haven't been influenced by modern European culture.