Is ISIS a disaster for all muslims?

[sojourner]

Is it only my imagination, or is Islam doing little to nothing to stop these groups from doing their atrocities in the name of the religion and in the name of Allah?

 

[YmirGF]

Is it only my imagination, or is Islam doing little to nothing to stop these groups from doing their atrocities in the name of the religion and in the name of Allah?

Actually it is Islam that is their rocket fuel, if you will. Granted, though many Muslims are revolted by the thought, it's all in how one chooses to interpret the texts. Since there is no clergy in Islam, folks are pretty well able to interpret things as they see fit. If you don't like what one Imam says, find another who is closer to your thinking.

 

[xkatz]

Since there is no clergy in Islam, folks are pretty well able to interpret things as they see fit. If you don't like what one Imam says, find another who is closer to your thinking.

This is why I think sola scriptura- be it Islam, Judaism, Christianity, etc, is ********.

 

[outhouse]

Is it only my imagination, or is Islam doing little to nothing to stop these groups from doing their atrocities in the name of the religion and in the name of Allah?

This has been one of my points since I have joined here.

It smy opinion that this religion requires much more fundamentalism and fanaticism then any other religion.

Christians have YEC, and it seems islam are all along these lines of methodology and fanaticism.

Try discussing history with any of them, and it seems the norm is to believe pseudo history, the way YEC follow pseudo science and history.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Is it only my imagination, or is Islam doing little to nothing to stop these groups from doing their atrocities in the name of the religion and in the name of Allah?

I get your point and kinda agree with your feelings but not as you stated it, and I'll explain how I mean so.

It is Muslims, which is different than "Islam". Muslims are doing little to nothing. I actually said the same thing you said before, except for replacing "Islam" with "Muslims". Islam forbids those atrocities they are doing. Major Muslim countries aren't helping internationally here. All they do is trying to stop those volunteers from leaving the country to join ISIS and they fail. Here the sentence for just getting involved to it, is pulling the national ID, which is very very effective of a punishment for so many people here.

Generally speaking, you have a good point and I agree with you.

 

[outhouse]

Generally speaking, you have a good point and I agree with you.

In some cases there is nothing they can do. Even if they wanted to.

The arguement has limits and faults.

 

[sojourner]

In some cases there is nothing they can do. Even if they wanted to.

The arguement has limits and faults.

I agree. Maybe I'm cloistered, but I don't hear a huge hue and cry coming from Muslim quarters, though.

 

[outhouse]

I agree. Maybe I'm cloistered, but I don't hear a huge hue and cry coming from Muslim quarters, though.

Agreed.

There are many human rights trampled on, and not even addressed, that leed up to events like this.

With hatred of the west and the freedom we possess, I dont see changes coming any time soon.

How to fix it? wipe the board clean is not an option, so that only leaves widespread cultural reform, and that wont happen since the religion is ingrained in politics in these countries.



It would be the same as if we had YEC presidents since the beginning and still had them today, imagine fixing that issues.

 

[CMike]

Seeing that Muslims are the primary target for groups like ISIS (for the time being at least), yes.

Chrisitans as well.

ISIS is a good example of what would happen to the jews if the jews couldn't protect themselves.

 

[sandandfoam]

I agree. Maybe I'm cloistered, but I don't hear a huge hue and cry coming from Muslim quarters, though.

The majority of the people that ISIS are killing are Muslims.

 

[Nakosis]

Chrisitans as well.

ISIS is a good example of what would happen to the jews if the jews couldn't protect themselves.

True of any tribe or nation that can't protect itself.
Might makes right.

I suspect the cost in resources of World Wars is what prevents World Wars.

 

[gnostic]

If what the news say is true, in which ISIS had killed an US journalist, by beheading him, then it just showed that they are nothing more than just bloodthirsty murderers.

Seriously, who want to live in Islamic state with them in power?

According to the video made, the speaker has an English accent.

In any case, it does tarnish the image of Islam of being peaceful and just religion. But it had already being tarnished decades ago, through groups like the Hamas, Hezbollah, Talibans, al-Qaeda, and other jihadists who operate in Europe, Asia and Africa.

 

[sojourner]

If what the news say is true, in which ISIS had killed an US journalist, by beheading him, then it just showed that they are nothing more than just bloodthirsty murderers.

Seriously, who want to live in Islamic state with them in power?

According to the video made, the speaker has an English accent.

In any case, it does tarnish the image of Islam of being peaceful and just religion. But it had already being tarnished decades ago, through groups like the Hamas, Hezbollah, Talibans, al-Qaeda, and other jihadists who operate in Europe, Asia and Africa.

These guys are increasingly dangerous, and they're gonna have to be put down eventually...

 

[Nakosis]

These guys are increasingly dangerous, and they're gonna have to be put down eventually...

Someone is supporting ISIS. They are getting the military equipment from somewhere.

Usually to deal with an organization like ISIS you cut off their supply lines. Who's supplying them.

Who benefits from this war?

 

[gnostic]

Someone is supporting ISIS. They are getting the military equipment from somewhere.

Usually to deal with an organization like ISIS you cut off their supply lines. Who's supplying them.

Who benefits from this war?

If i recall correctly (so anyone can correct me if I wrong), the Sunni are the ones largely supporting ISIS, and they are the ones who would gain considerably.

So military supports, whether they be armament or supplies, could come from any country.

They are certainly get lot of recruitment in the UK. There are even recruits from Australian Muslims, to join ISIS cause.

They are nothing more than bunch of mercenaries and murderers, and it is a dangerous cocktail to mix it with religious fanaticism, so I hoped they (the Australian Muslims) never come back to Australia. Imprisoned for life would do well, but them being dead is better.

 

[Pegg]

Is it only my imagination, or is Islam doing little to nothing to stop these groups from doing their atrocities in the name of the religion and in the name of Allah?

Its not like there is a central authority in Islam... each mosque is its own authority over the lives of muslims who attend it. And those who run the mosques are not governed by a central authority as far as i'm aware.

 

[Windwalker]

Its not like there is a central authority in Islam... each mosque is its own authority over the lives of muslims who attend it. And those who run the mosques are not governed by a central authority as far as i'm aware.

Sounds like Protestant churches for the most part.

 

[Pegg]

Sounds like Protestant churches for the most part.

yep, pretty much.

 

[outhouse]

Its not like there is a central authority in Islam... each mosque is its own authority over the lives of muslims who attend it. And those who run the mosques are not governed by a central authority as far as i'm aware.

Thats what make it such a dangerous religion.

No control over fanatics and fandamentalism running wild.

 

[Pegg]

Thats what make it such a dangerous religion.

No control over fanatics and fandamentalism running wild.

on that i agree.