Is it moral for God to punish us?

[serp777]

Islamic/Quranic concept of punishment is to rehabilitate the wrong-doers, the words eternal etc or in relative terms, not in absolute terms.
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That entirely depends on your interpretation. That also sounds like a less popular interpretation considering Shariah. Its not about rehabilitation, its about repenting and admitting you're wrong. and then accepting Islam entirely. And in some cases certain actions like burning a Quran or being an outspoken atheist could result in your death, never mind rehabilitation.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Yes, I believe it is moral for God to punish us if we deserve it.

Is it moral for a parent to punish their children if they deserve it? A teacher a student? A leader a sub-ordinate? A manager a staff? A fried chicken a lobster? Wait...

 

[Lyndon]

Would a parent kill their child because the child was really bad. Of course not. So I don't think God is going to be killing or sending to hell forever his children, either.

 

[allfoak]

God does not punish.
God is.
There is no judgment that can be made.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Would a parent kill their child because the child was really bad. Of course not. So I don't think God is going to be killing or sending to hell forever his children, either.

Good point. But unfortunately it is not as simple as this for that extraordinarily huge in number population which means huge differences in humanity values. It's a different subject tho, since our topic here is about punishment only, not eternal hell. I don't like eternal hell, but the basic existence of Hell is something I support.

Besides, God is telling us about it and what causes it. Those defying that knowing it, they logically don't mind it for themselves. He promised that as people will get the good they deserve for doing the good, they will get the bad they deserve for being evil. Sounds like fair to me.

 

[Greatest I am]

Apparently, Hell was the first thing that God created, because that is where he sent Lucifer and his followers, according to the Book of Revelation. So it seems to me that God knew that many of us mere mortals would end up there. That seems to be in direction contradiction of the proposition that God is all loving, merciful and compassionate. We are told that god acts upon our free will by sending us grace to resist temptation to sin. Satan acts upon our free will to sin. Clearly, Satan wins many times. When Satan is victorious, he is more powerful than God, or God permits evil.

Logical.

Martin Luther.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

Christians will not like you but I do.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Is it moral for God to reward us?

No. A moral God would not create any of us better than the other.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Is it moral for God to punish us?

G-d does not punish us, we ourselves punish us:
[3:118] The likeness of what they spend for the present life is as the likeness of a wind wherein there is intense cold which smites the harvest of a people who have wronged themselves, and destroys it. And Allah has not wronged them, but they wrong themselves.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse:&ch=3&verse=115
G-d has set rules/processes, one who violates them, gets punished and is responsible for doing the wrong.
If one jumps from a multi-storey building and get hurt or dies; why did he jump from the building? Please
Regards

How have you punished yourself?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Is it moral for God to punish us?

Further to Post #195.
What is immoral about it? It is perfectly natural. Which society does not punish the criminals? Why do they punish the criminals? Please
Regards

Criminals have a clear set of guidelines.

Religions do not and also discriminate without a just cause. Just think of homophobia and misogyny. Two of the mainstream religions most hateful and misguided discriminations.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

According to the religious whatever God does is moral simply because he's the creator of morality. Whatever he does it moral. Its basically the same kind of reasoning kings used in ancient times--divine right to lead, the ruler can do no wrong.

Yes. It took a long time to rid secular men of that poor thinking and the double moral standards of religions who forgive their Gods for what they condemn men for continues.

This link does a good job of showing an example of this Christian immorality.

Regards
DL

 

[Fool]

Criminals have a clear set of guidelines.

Religions do not and also discriminate without a just cause. Just think of homophobia and misogyny. Two of the mainstream religions most hateful and misguided discriminations.

Regards
DL

love changes everything kaa


the raising up of one above another is not loving.

love makes all things equal. it raises the humble and brings low the haughty

Luke 3:5
Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;

 

[Greatest I am]

He either corrects us..... or unleashes a bunch of immortal doofwads out into the universe to make a miserable mess of things forever.

He didn't simply make humans to have a botched existence and then die -we have an awesome future ahead, but we must be prepared to receive it.

Our mortal/flesh state -essentially dependent on one planet -is -among other things -a means to limit our destructive capability while we learn.

Even the design of our present bodies helps us learn important lessons.

Why did he make the humans shown in this clip and should we think his judgement worthy and fair when we see his creating ability?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

God does not punish.
God is.
There is no judgment that can be made.

So God gets us all into heaven. Right?

Your God is a Universalist God. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Good point. But unfortunately it is not as simple as this for that extraordinarily huge in number population which means huge differences in humanity values. It's a different subject tho, since our topic here is about punishment only, not eternal hell. I don't like eternal hell, but the basic existence of Hell is something I support.

Besides, God is telling us about it and what causes it. Those defying that knowing it, they logically don't mind it for themselves. He promised that as people will get the good they deserve for doing the good, they will get the bad they deserve for being evil. Sounds like fair to me.

Yet Jesus, a good man, did not get the reward you say he should have gotten and the evil ones who deserve the punishment you say is do them, will not be given to them.

You hell believers sure do not think well.

Regards
DL

 

[Fool]

Yes. It took a long time to rid secular men of that poor thinking and the double moral standards of religions who forgive their Gods for what they condemn men for continues.

This link does a good job of showing an example of this Christian immorality.

Regards
DL

idolatry morally compromises by creating a disparity of love/light. love is the deepest of mysteries.

 

[Greatest I am]

love changes everything kaa


the raising up of one above another is not loving.

love makes all things equal. it raises the humble and brings low the haughty

Luke 3:5
Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;

We were not talking love but your inability to respond to the issues at hand is noted.

I can play though.

Is God not himself raising some above the others when putting some in heaven and some in hell.

Regards
DL

 

[Etritonakin]

Why did he make the humans shown in this clip and should we think his judgement worthy and fair when we see his creating ability?

Regards
DL

I'm not in the mood to watch any potentially weird videos....

but if you would like to ask the question in text, I will address it.

 

[Greatest I am]

idolatry morally compromises by creating a disparity of love/light. love is the deepest of mysteries.

Yes and both Christianity and Islam are idol worshiping religions that set love aside for the benefits they think their idol will give them.

Love is only a mystery to those who have yet to find it.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I'm not in the mood to watch any potentially weird videos....

but if you would like to ask the question in text, I will address it.

Keep running all you like. You cannot hide from your own thoughts.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Yes, I believe it is moral for God to punish us if we deserve it.

Is it moral for a parent to punish their children if they deserve it? A teacher a student? A leader a sub-ordinate? A manager a staff? A fried chicken a lobster? Wait...

All those you mention correct and are know to the individual.

God is not and his laws are not clear and that means that he is quite immoral if he punishes us after ignoring us all our lives.

Does you father have a right to punish you if he has been an absentee deadbeat dad all of your life?

If you think he does then you are not very moral.

Regards
DL