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Is it moral for God to punish us?

Greatest I am

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
Smart_Guy said:
Provide proof of your claim and educate me, you know-it-all greatest one!
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Proof is in scriptures unless you do not believe that Jesus died for you.

You can prove it for yourself by just answering a simple question.

Is having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- moral.

If it is not moral, then Jesus would never do the immoral thing and die for those he himself condemned.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
allfoak said:
God is God.
There is no other.
All other supposed gods came from the One, the Ancient of Days (meaning: before there were days).

God does not get us into anywhere.
The Kingdom of Heaven is a place that we must enter on our own.
The return to the Father is made by choice.
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That is not what Jesus taught.

He posed the question. Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

You have.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
Sleeppy said:
Is this observable?
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Yes but only if you see God not being inferior to nature.

Nature creates for the best possible end, -- given all the conditions and environment at hand.

If God does less then he is not much of a God.

God's best possible end would be better than what nature can do yet observation shows that he cannot create perfect works the way scriptures say he can.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am

Greatest I am

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Fool said:
i wasn't speaking of a person in general, no. you were. i'm not here to fulfill illusions that one person can be more perfect than another.

love is not exclusive to any one person, culture, or nation.


and being angry is not closer to hatred.

hatred is based in fear and fear is based in ignorance.

with love comes light. with hatred comes darkness and disillusionment.
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I do not agree but am not here to give new meanings or definitions to known words. This would take us too far from the O.P.

Regards
DL
 
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Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Greatest I am said:
Proof is in scriptures unless you do not believe that Jesus died for you.

You can prove it for yourself by just answering a simple question.

Is having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- moral.

If it is not moral, then Jesus would never do the immoral thing and die for those he himself condemned.

Regards
DL
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There must be a misunderstanding. I don't believe Jesus died for me.

As for your questions, the answers are respectively no, no and (I believe) no.
 
allfoak

allfoak

Alchemist
Greatest I am said:
That is not what Jesus taught.

He posed the question. Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

You have.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL
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I believe you misunderstand the teaching.
Which is beyond the scope of this thread.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Greatest I am said:
If man has dominion, then the temptation of Christ must be a lie as Satan could not tempt Jesus with the nations if she did not have dominion of them.

Just another biblical glitch. It gets caught in many lies.

Regards
DL
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deception was the play at hand
the world does seem given to the devil.

but wearing a crown was not the objective.
 
Greatest I am

Greatest I am

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Thief said:
deception was the play at hand
the world does seem given to the devil.

but wearing a crown was not the objective.
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I don't see how you can say that the world belongs to the devil when there is obviously a lot more good than evil here. Check any of the stats of what we usually call evil.

I do agree that religions are all about deception.

All priests and imams lie constantly when speaking of their invisible and immoral Gods.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am

Greatest I am

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Thief said:
I suspect an occasional tweak.....
Sodom and Gomorrah....
the Flood....
the life of Jesus....
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All written by Jews who are not literalists and do not believe that those situations are real.

Nowadays, only the really foolish are literalists and they are idol worshipers.

Regards
DL
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Greatest I am said:
I don't see how you can say that the world belongs to the devil when there is obviously a lot more good than evil here. Check any of the stats of what we usually call evil.

I do agree that religions are all about deception.

All priests and imams lie constantly when speaking of their invisible and immoral Gods.

Regards
DL
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No one is good but the Father.....famous quote.

and yeah, I have little trust in clergy....
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Greatest I am said:
All written by Jews who are not literalists and do not believe that those situations are real.

Nowadays, only the really foolish are literalists and they are idol worshipers.

Regards
DL
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knowing when to lean to terms and when to lean to metaphor .....makes all the difference.
 
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