Is the Far Right in America Morally Bankrupt?

[Mathematician]

All I can say is thank GOD we had Kennedy and not CHENEY/BUSH with his hand on the button. Forceful tactics would have killed a good many of us.

 

[gnomon]

Is the Far Right in America morally bankrupt?

In the first place, It seems like so many of their leaders have been caught with their pants down in recent months -- Senator Vitter with prostitutes, Senator Craig soliciting men in restrooms, Mrs. Roberts, the daughter in law of Oral Roberts, lusting after underage males -- to name a very few.

In the second place, it seems like the Far Right is supporting numerous policies that have resulted in suffering for both Americans and people abroad. Such as a war in Iraq, abstinence only sexuality education, opposition to doing anything about global warming, etc.

So, is the Far Right morally bankrupt?

By whose standards?

If this thread is nothing more than an oppurtunity to say Bush sucks then by all means......I say GWB sucks.

Personally I find the mainstream Democrats to be pretty poor as far as holding to their standards. Last I checked there are still an incredible number of minorities languishing in prison for no good reason. What has the DNC offered up.........dick.

 

[nutshell]

Bin Ladin isn't a threat. You have a better chance of being hit by lightning then being killed by terrorist. 9/11 was 1 in a million, quite literally. If we go to war with China, then I'll think we're under serious attack.

The same leaders protecting us are the people getting us into the mess in the first place! When will we realize this?

And yet it happened.

I don't agree with the administration, but things started rolling a long time before them.

 

[PureX]

By whose standards?

If this thread is nothing more than an opportunity to say Bush sucks then by all means......I say GWB sucks.

Personally I find the mainstream Democrats to be pretty poor as far as holding to their standards. Last I checked there are still an incredible number of minorities languishing in prison for no good reason. What has the DNC offered up.........dick.

I agree that none of the democratic candidates will speak out, and make any bold social proposals except perhaps for Denis Kucinich. They're all "playing politics". And that is very disappointing. But we KNOW that the republicans (conservatives) will change nothing because they are conservatives, and the whole point of being a conservative is to maintain the status quo. The rich will keep getting richer while it gets harder and harder for the rest of us to make ends meet. The republicans will continue to try and use military force to effect political goals and they will continue to create these horrible messes like in Iraq. They will continue to take massive corporate bribes and write legislation that creates more and more corporate monopolies that are strangling the middle class. The will continue to ignore the health care crisis. they will continue to ignore the social security crisis, and they will continue to try and eliminate any and all government support to the poor.

We KNOW this is what will happen under the republicans. Which is why a democrat will most likely win the next presidential election. True, the democrat who wins may not be much better, but then again he/she might be. But we KNOW what a republican president will do .... more of the same. If you're one of the wealthy ones, who's getting rich in the market these days, I suppose you want more of the same. But most of the rest of us cannot survive much more of this.

 

[gnomon]

I agree that none of the democratic candidates will speak out, and make any bold social proposals except perhaps for Denis Kucinich. They're all "playing politics". And that is very disappointing. But we KNOW that the republicans (conservatives) will change nothing because they are conservatives, and the whole point of being a conservative is to maintain the status quo. The rich will keep getting richer while it gets harder and harder for the rest of us to make ends meet. The republicans will continue to try and use military force to effect political goals and they will continue to create these horrible messes like in Iraq. They will continue to take massive corporate bribes and write legislation that creates more and more corporate monopolies that are strangling the middle class. The will continue to ignore the health care crisis. they will continue to ignore the social security crisis, and they will continue to try and eliminate any and all government support to the poor.

We KNOW this is what will happen under the republicans. Which is why a democrat will most likely win the next presidential election. True, the democrat who wins may not be much better, but then again he/she might be. But we KNOW what a republican president will do .... more of the same. If you're one of the wealthy ones, who's getting rich in the market these days, I suppose you want more of the same. But most of the rest of us cannot survive much more of this.

I cannot disagree with that.

I have watched the erosion of what I feel are basic liberties under the leadership of both parties. Even High Times came out at one point describing Bill Clinton as perhaps one of the worst Presidents in regards to the drug war. But you are right, we pretty much know what to expect with the Republican party. However, because of those expectations I could not call them morally bankrupt. If they act exactly how we expect .... .

I think I'll just fall back with the general statement that both parties are morally bankrupt. True reason and leadership seem to be coming from grassroots political action in some areas or actual judges and law enforcement personnel in others who see what is wrong in our system. Unfortunately, it's hard to get the parties to listen. It took nearly ten years for Congress to listen to the ABA about the problems with our current sentencing guidelines.

I'm having a bout of cynicism. Is it showing?

 

[gnomon]

All I can say is thank GOD we had Kennedy and not CHENEY/BUSH with his hand on the button. Forceful tactics would have killed a good many of us.

Well I wouldn't thank God but you are right about that. Shiver to think about Cheney having power of the President during the 60's.

I was hoping, through my prickish attitude, that you would pick up the 2 in a million remark.

 

[Mathematician]

Well I wouldn't thank God but you are right about that. Shiver to think about Cheney having power of the President during the 60's.

I was hoping, through my prickish attitude, that you would pick up the 2 in a million remark.

WTC bombings?

 

[gnomon]

WTC bombings?

Yeah!

 

[capslockf9]

Is the Far Right in America morally bankrupt?

In the first place, It seems like so many of their leaders have been caught with their pants down in recent months -- Senator Vitter with prostitutes, Senator Craig soliciting men in restrooms, Mrs. Roberts, the daughter in law of Oral Roberts, lusting after underage males -- to name a very few.

In the second place, it seems like the Far Right is supporting numerous policies that have resulted in suffering for both Americans and people abroad. Such as a war in Iraq, abstinence only sexuality education, opposition to doing anything about global warming, etc.

So, is the Far Right morally bankrupt?

The CHRISTIAN RIGHT is neither.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I agree that none of the democratic candidates will speak out, and make any bold social proposals except perhaps for Denis Kucinich. They're all "playing politics". And that is very disappointing. But we KNOW that the republicans (conservatives) will change nothing because they are conservatives, and the whole point of being a conservative is to maintain the status quo. The rich will keep getting richer while it gets harder and harder for the rest of us to make ends meet. The republicans will continue to try and use military force to effect political goals and they will continue to create these horrible messes like in Iraq. They will continue to take massive corporate bribes and write legislation that creates more and more corporate monopolies that are strangling the middle class. The will continue to ignore the health care crisis. they will continue to ignore the social security crisis, and they will continue to try and eliminate any and all government support to the poor.

We KNOW this is what will happen under the republicans. Which is why a democrat will most likely win the next presidential election. True, the democrat who wins may not be much better, but then again he/she might be. But we KNOW what a republican president will do .... more of the same. If you're one of the wealthy ones, who's getting rich in the market these days, I suppose you want more of the same. But most of the rest of us cannot survive much more of this.

Exactly right. Some of us love the way things are right now. What happens if something changes? We alter our strategy and still cash in.

A good example would be home prices. They have been up 12% a years for a while, sweet! Now there is a correction and a credit crunch. No problem, trade up! Do the math. While it is true that this is a bad time to sell, the larger homes price has took a bigger hit than the smaller one has making the difference between the two less in a bad economy. You still make money! Same for the stock market. When stocks tank, bonds are stellar. The problem is, raising taxes negates the incentive to invest. No investment = no jobs. No point in taking a chance with your money when there is high taxes. That is a lose lose proposition.

All this tax the top earners will just send them on vacation. They don't need more money, they just like making more money. If you take a year off from investing, your tax liability is zero.

Until the little guy understands that earning money is not the path to wealth. The money you earn is just seed money. The real profit potential is in investing. Until you learn to save and invest, I don't care how much money you make, you will never amount to anything.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Whatever the party, whoever promises to get us OUT of Iraq will get my vote.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Who ever promises to get us out of Iraq will just be lying to get votes. We are going to have a presence in the middle east from now on. Everyone needs to get used to the idea.

 

[capslockf9]

• As long as they or their children don't have to go.
• How the patriotic scoundrels stayed out of Nam follows:
• Elliott Abrams - Sought deferment for bad back.
• John Ashcroft - Sought teaching deferment
• Richard Armey - Sought college deferment.
• Bill Bennett - Sought graduate school deferment.
• Pat Buchanan - Sought deferment for bad knee.
• George W. Bush - Family got him in the reserves.
• Dick Cheney - Sought graduate school deferment.
• Tom DeLay - - Sought college deferment.
• Newt Gingrich - Sought graduate school deferment.
• Phil Gramm - Sought marriage deferment.
• Dennis Hastert - Sought deferment to coach wrestling.
• Jack Kemp - Sought medical deferment while in the NFL.
• Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his ***.
• Trent Lott - Sought college deferment.
• P.J. O’Rourke - Sought deferment, too stoned.
• Dan Quayle - Family got him into the Reserves.
• Pat Robertson - Father pulled him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.
• Kenneth Starr – Sought deferment for psoriasis.
• John Wayne - Refused to volunteer for World War II.
• Vin Weber - Sought deferment for asthma.
• George Will - Sought deferment for graduate school.

 

[Scuba Pete]

WHOA! These are the guys calling Kerry "Un-American"??? These are the uber-patriots who have sent our young men and women into harm's way and for what? To give Haliburton some more cash flow? HOW OUTRAGEOUS!

• As long as they or their children don't have to go.
• How the patriotic scoundrels stayed out of Nam follows:
• Elliott Abrams - Sought deferment for bad back.
• John Ashcroft - Sought teaching deferment
• Richard Armey - Sought college deferment.
• Bill Bennett - Sought graduate school deferment.
• Pat Buchanan - Sought deferment for bad knee.
• George W. Bush - Family got him in the reserves.
• Dick Cheney - Sought graduate school deferment.
• Tom DeLay - - Sought college deferment.
• Newt Gingrich - Sought graduate school deferment.
• Phil Gramm - Sought marriage deferment.
• Dennis Hastert - Sought deferment to coach wrestling.
• Jack Kemp - Sought medical deferment while in the NFL.
• Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his ***.
• Trent Lott - Sought college deferment.
• P.J. O’Rourke - Sought deferment, too stoned.
• Dan Quayle - Family got him into the Reserves.
• Pat Robertson - Father pulled him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.
• Kenneth Starr – Sought deferment for psoriasis.
• John Wayne - Refused to volunteer for World War II.
• Vin Weber - Sought deferment for asthma.
• George Will - Sought deferment for graduate school.

 

[PureX]

The problem is, raising taxes negates the incentive to invest. No investment = no jobs. No point in taking a chance with your money when there is high taxes. That is a lose lose proposition.

That's what the liars like to tell us, but it's just lies. People with lots of money will invest that money to make more because that's what people with lots of money do. That's why they have lots of money to begin with, and frankly, all that money isn't worth spit if they just sit on it. Inactive money is meaningless paper with numbers on it.

All this tax the top earners will just send them on vacation. They don't need more money, they just like making more money. If you take a year off from investing, your tax liability is zero.

Spending money is good, if you've got lots of it. In fact, I believe that the wealthy have an obligation to spend lots of money, because that money needs to move around. And I couldn't care less if the top earners all went on permanent vacation. In fact, I think that a GREAT idea! They made their pile, now let them get out of the way so that someone else can have their chance. We could make this mandatory as far as I'm concerned.

I believe we should tax people at a higher and higher rate, the more they earn, until we finally take ALL their earnings. Once someone has, lets say 10 million dollars, they can't have any more. That's it, their days of making money are over, and it's time for them to go spend some of it.

 

[Mathematician]

Rich men spend their money so it will go in the pocket of other rich men. The trickle-down theory is based on every false presumption imaginable. I agree with PureX. A sign of progress would be implementing a national price ceiling. It would have to be done with almost every Western country participating, but that's okay. The billions and trillions in real money could be used to actually help improve the world instead of promoting the cause of greed. It's not their money, anyway.

 

[Mathematician]

Who ever promises to get us out of Iraq will just be lying to get votes. We are going to have a presence in the middle east from now on. Everyone needs to get used to the idea.

If the "president decides foreign policy" like Bush claims, Kucinich, Gravel, and Paul are willing to stick to that statement.

 

[Francine]

Libertarians are a mix between left and right though. Left socially, right fiscally.

People in the middle of the road have a yellow streak a mile long.

 

[Mike182]

People in the middle of the road have a yellow streak a mile long.

why are people who are economically conservative but socially liberal cowards?

 

[Fluffy]

People in the middle of the road have a yellow streak a mile long.

This isn't a road but a playing field. Libertarians are at an extreme of that field just like socialists and conservatives. Moderates are the only ones at the centre. I'm not sure if it is a fair characterisation of moderates but it certainly isn't a characterisation of libertarians. The Political Compass.