Is the term "Judeo-Christian" in describing America's values simply political correctness?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Uh, yeah. And?



I know what you meant. That isn't the problem. What you're trying to say with it is what people are trying to get you to discuss.

Look: here's what you said earlier:



"Don't tell me that you don't find it at least a little bit odd ".

There are what seem to me to be some pretty obvious implications in that statement.

If you aren't up to talking about those, I guess nobody can make you. But personally I think dropping hints and insinuations in a thread and then refusing to discuss those openly is pretty dishonest. It's more like gossiping than debating.

Look, you can think whatever you wish. I'm done with this thread. To me, it's been beaten to death.

 

[Quagmire]

Look, you can think whatever you wish. I'm done with this thread. To me, it's been beaten to death.

Okay, bye.

 

[4consideration]

In the words of the great master:I actually think this is very true.

(And frubals to the first person who identifies the great master I am quoting.) (well, a frubal anyway)

Yoda.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Thank you for confirming what was "self evident" in your OP.

I love how you highlight red portions so that they're read out of context from the rest of the post. And you know damn well that they'll be read with a different meaning than the one intended. Very honest of you

 

[Songbird]

No, they really aren't. Which is why if you scratch a bigot you'll find a coward.

Agreed. Behind hatred is fear.

Polish your mirrors (as Doppleganger would say) and examine how hate arises.

 

[Quagmire]

I love how you highlight red portions so that they're read out of context from the rest of the post. And you know damn well that they'll be read with a different meaning than the one intended. Very honest of you

How does highlighting anything cause it to be read out of context?

Anyway, I read it both ways---with and without the surrounding text---and it looks like it means exactly the same thing either way.

 

[Songbird]

It's a fact of human psychology. Hatred isn't just the result of fear, it's actually a manifestation of it.


In the same way that a hand and a fist are different.


Scratch a benign bigot, ie, just someone who's been misinformed, and they're less likely to remain bigoted.

Again - agreed. Hatred's an extension of fear.

Gonna just keep agreeing with you.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How does highlighting anything cause it to be read out of context?

With the highlighting, it took me a second to realize that the bit about "mistrusting them" referred to mistrusting our hearts and not to mistrusting Jews.

Other than that, yeah, I agree.

 

[Quagmire]

With the highlighting, it took me a second to realize that the bit about "mistrusting them" referred to mistrusting our hearts and not to mistrusting Jews.

Other than that, yeah, I agree.

Ah, OK (subtracts a point from my side of the scoreboard)

 

[Revoltingest]

It's a fact of human psychology. Hatred isn't just the result of fear, it's actually a manifestation of it.

Fact? Sounds like an opinion to me.

In the same way that a hand and a fist are different.

Uh.....OK....

 

[Quagmire]

Again - agreed. Hatred's an extension of fear.

Gonna just keep agreeing with you.

Thank you B. You're setting a good example for the rest of....humanity.

(that didn't sound conceited or anything, did it?)

 

[Songbird]

Why do people who suspect Jews of having nefarious world-domination plots also tend to take extremely conservative views of homosexuals and women? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Quagmire]

Fact? Sounds like an opinion to me.


Uh.....OK....

Well, OK, but it's an opinion of a lot of smart people who've written books and stuff (look at Songbird's last post, Rev. the last line I mean. edit: I mean post 87. I'm thinking about changing everybodies sig to that and see if anybody notices.).

 

[Quagmire]

Why do people who suspect Jews of having nefarious world-domination plots also tend to take extremely conservative views of homosexuals and women? I'm genuinely curious.

Well Duh, B: anyone with eyes knows that homosexuals and women are just Jews in disguise.

 

[Songbird]

Fact? Sounds like an opinion to me.

Apart from Yoda, there are writings by philosophers and psychologists on fear demonstrating as hate. Voltaire, Jung, Gandhi - there are loads of musings on it.

One common topic of discussion is why homophobia is labeled as such when people argue that it's not a phobia but a hatred.

 

[Songbird]

Well Duh, B: anyone with eyes knows that homosexuals and women are just Jews in disguise.

It's all coming together now.

 

[Sunstone]

Why do people who suspect Jews of having nefarious world-domination plots also tend to take extremely conservative views of homosexuals and women? I'm genuinely curious.

Robert Altemeyer has written about a certain mindset -- or perhaps a personality disorder -- that tends towards all of those things.

 

[Songbird]

Robert Altemeyer has written about a certain mindset -- or perhaps a personality disorder -- that tends towards all of those things.

Interesting, I'd like to read that. I've been having this conversation with a few different people this week due to extremism in FB posts.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I love how you highlight red portions so that they're read out of context from the rest of the post. And you know damn well that they'll be read with a different meaning than the one intended. Very honest of you

So sorry.

Really, the first line says it all.
But you are correct. One must read the whole quote in it's entirety to get the to the underlying root of your intent.

I believe I possess some fears/suspicions of some of the Jews that wield significant influence upon our country which surely amounts to a minute fraction of the population. I believe it's a self-evident truth that we are made in the image of God and that there is nothing inherently defective about how we're made. I have some suspicions/fears of the MOTIVES of a miniscule amount of people. I remain committed to loving all my enemies, whoever that may be. I pray that by the grace of God I can do that. When it comes to a man's heart, a simple glance of the eye is not sufficient enough to make a judgement. The only self evident truth regarding our hearts is that we should always maintain a healthy amount of distrust towards them. For in man's heart war to opposing desires, one evil and one good. It's important to note that having fear is not a character flaw. It's acting on those fears in an unhealthy way which is evil. Fear is often the product of ignorance. I'm always happy to see ignorance remedied in my own life.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I believe I possess some fears/suspicions of some of the Jews that wield significant influence upon our country which surely amounts to a minute fraction of the population. I believe it's a self-evident truth that we are made in the image of God and that there is nothing inherently defective about how we're made. I have some suspicions/fears of the MOTIVES of a miniscule amount of people. I remain committed to loving all my enemies, whoever that may be.

It really is special that you're capable of loving the enemy Jew so capable of arousing your "fears/suspicions." It's so much more pleasant than pogroms and the lie, i.e., the more typical way in which good folks such as yourself allay your fears of that sinister yet minute fraction of the population. Thanks. :kissbette