Is this *finally* the moment we wake up to the climate crisis?

[England my lionheart]

I don't think so...

Although we can affect where we live, there is about 16 billion acres of habitable land which equate to one person per 2 acres.

There is 57 billion square miles on the earth which means there is almost 8 square miles of total of earth Capacity per person. I think the earth is a lot stronger than what we think.

minus the deserts and tundra,your figures are not convincing,it doesn’t pan out,humans concentrate in cities and towns,concentrated waste,emissions and plastic,it’s so obvious

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I prefer the conclusion given by 62 co-authors in 17 Institutes from Europe and the US. I believe it is a more comprehensive approach

What I suspect is that what you really believe in is a fiction, and you are grasping for let outs to support your beliefs.

Geological evidence shows us that the world's climate is constantly changing.
All the world's surface is drifting and clashing. What was once mountain has been in the depths of the ocean, arid desert, and frozen under glaciers. If seen speeded up the worlds surface and climate would seem in raging turmoil.

However all these things and what causes them, are well understood, and what is happening now is different in kind and is at the instigation of man's disregard for anything other than himself.

As usual you are defending the indefensible.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

So, what caused Greenland from being fertile land for planting to become glacier ice?

Read my post that followed that one. England has been mostly glaciated and also tropical several times it has been under the ocean.

The continent under the South pole was once in the Tropics.
America has been all these things.

However the world has always retained some life, even following the great extinctions.
None of which were caused by normal fluctuations, but by catastrophic events.

 

[Wildswanderer]

They are very rarely used that way. They are built for practical purposes, but that doesn't stop people from doing the dumb with them.

How do you know they aren't used? I have a truck because I need a truck. I have a SUV because I need the space.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How do you know they aren't used? I have a truck because I need a truck. I have a SUV because I need the space.

What sort of truck do you have? What do you need it for?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I prefer the conclusion given by 62 co-authors in 17 Institutes from Europe and the US. I believe it is a more comprehensive approach

That is a rather small group. If they deny AGW they were likely to have been bought off. What peer reviewed work do they have that supports their claims?

There is a way to tell real scientists from pseudo scientists.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

There are always dissenting voices:

Sorry, But With Global Warming It's The Sun, Stupid

"It worked! As reported in the Aug. 25 issue of the journal Nature, Jasper Kirkby and his 62 co-authors from 17 institutes in Europe and the U.S. announced that the sun indeed has a significant influence on our planet's temperature. Their "Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets" (CLOUD) experiment proved that its magnetic field does, in fact, act as a gateway for cosmic rays that play a large role in cloud formation. The report stated "Ion-induced nucleation [cosmic ray action] will manifest itself as a steady production of new particles [molecular clusters] that is difficult to isolate in atmospheric observations because of other sources of variability but is nevertheless taking place and could be quite large globally over the troposphere [the lower atmosphere]." In other words, the big influence exists, yet hasn't been factored into climate models."

Yes. As is often the case when people seek to justify their own biases rather than find out the truth, you have read an article that by lip-service alone supports your ideology.
However the facts and the scientific community (and even the business community for that matter) all disagree with the author that you have cited and they give points and reasoning and facts to demonstrate where your one chosen author and his theoretically cited experts we’re all wrong.

If you are willing to see reason and facts @KenS , then peruse the following articles..

Misinformation at Forbes Magazine by Larry Bell

RealClimate: Forbes’ rich list of nonsense

 

[Wildswanderer]

What sort of truck do you have? What do you need it for?

I have a tundra. I need it for hauling everything from firewood to the materials for my business, and camping of course.

 

[Kenny]

minus the deserts and tundra,your figures are not convincing,it doesn’t pan out,humans concentrate in cities and towns,concentrated waste,emissions and plastic,it’s so obvious

That is why I said "habitable land" - I minussed desserts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have a tundra. I need it for hauling everything from firewood to the materials for my business, and camping of course.

Then you were not paying attention. A typical Tundra looks to be a half to 3/4 ton payload. That would be like a Ford 150 or 250. I posted images of a Ford 650 and a Ford 750. Eight miles per gallon is typical for those vehicles. They are really meant to be small utility trucks.. Either dump trucks or delivery vehicles. But some people as more of a display of wealth than anything else have them built as pickup trucks.

 

[Kenny]

What I suspect is that what you really believe in is a fiction, and you are grasping for let outs to support your beliefs.

Geological evidence shows us that the world's climate is constantly changing.
All the world's surface is drifting and clashing. What was once mountain has been in the depths of the ocean, arid desert, and frozen under glaciers. If seen speeded up the worlds surface and climate would seem in raging turmoil.

However all these things and what causes them, are well understood, and what is happening now is different in kind and is at the instigation of man's disregard for anything other than himself.

As usual you are defending the indefensible.

Ok... let's throw out the science that all of these institutes and scientists gave and published.... let's just go back to the dark ages.

 

[Kenny]

Read my post that followed that one. England has been mostly glaciated and also tropical several times it has been under the ocean.

The continent under the South pole was once in the Tropics.
America has been all these things.

However the world has always retained some life, even following the great extinctions.
None of which were caused by normal fluctuations, but by catastrophic events.

So, are you saying that it was a catastrophic event that turned Greenland farmland into Glaciers and Tundra?
Vikings grew barley in Greenland

Which event was that? (please give scientific evidence of what turned it from farmland to what it is today)

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, are you saying that it was a catastrophic event that turned Greenland farmland into Glaciers and Tundra?
Vikings grew barley in Greenland

Which event was that? (please give scientific evidence of what turned it from farmland to what it is today)

No, he did not say or imply that. And you are now grasping at straws.

 

[Kenny]

No, he did not say or imply that. And you are now grasping at straws.

Not really grasping... just bringing a reality to bear. There WAS farmland in recent history of Greenland and mankind didn't make it that way. It was cyclical hot and cold probably due to the sun.

 

[England my lionheart]

That is why I said "habitable land" - I minussed desserts.

Yet it’s still the same answer,humans tip the scale

 

[Kenny]

Yet it’s still the same answer,humans tip the scale

That is an opinion position that some people hold and others do not.

Although I would admit that it tips the scale locally...
China finds 100,000kg of poisoned dead fish in river

Whether that adds to the temperature of the world... probably not IMO

Then again, there are even natural things that happen:

Deadly Lake Kills 1,746

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not really grasping... just bringing a reality to bear. There WAS farmland in recent history of Greenland and mankind didn't make it that way. It was cyclical hot and cold probably due to the sun.

No it is not. It was just warm enough to grow barley during the Medieval Warm Period. That is not "hot". And this was a fluctuation, not a cycle. And yes, you are still grasping at straws.

 

[Kenny]

No it is not. It was just warm enough to grow barley during the Medieval Warm Period. That is not "hot". And this was a fluctuation, not a cycle. And yes, you are still grasping at straws.

Apparently you didn't read the and study the piece and applied it to the subject matter.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Apparently you didn't read the and study the piece and applied it to the subject matter.

Where did it say that it was "hot"?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Then you were not paying attention. A typical Tundra looks to be a half to 3/4 ton payload. That would be like a Ford 150 or 250. I posted images of a Ford 650 and a Ford 750. Eight miles per gallon is typical for those vehicles. They are really meant to be small utility trucks.. Either dump trucks or delivery vehicles. But some people as more of a display of wealth than anything else have them built as pickup trucks.

I know. But what makes you think they don't use them as trucks?