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Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Do you mean a "pogrom" that resulted in no one being killed?

It's a bad idea to scour the internet for news to make Jews
look like victims, & Palestinians advocates look anti-semitic.
There's much religious & political hostility heading in both
directions. Why mislead by painting a picture that only
Jews are victims....& using an example without any victims?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
I’m sure there are exceptions, but I’m wondering whether the majority of Palestinians do support Hamas.

It's a mixed bag. Hamas is increasingly unpopular in recent years, and polling indicates a majority of Palestinians were against Hamas' attack.


From my understanding children are indoctrinated into hatred toward Jews from young childhood and that killing Jews brings rewards. If the focus of the culture is to raise Jihadists, then it’s hard to imagine those being steeped in such hatred with a mission, would desire peace with those they have been taught to hate so intensely. I also have not read any articles or heard many or any Palestinian voices or
protests demanding Hamas release the abducted hostages. I’m not aware of any regular Palestinian civilians coming forth to reveal where the hostages may be hidden. I have also read that ordinary civilians of Gaza participated in the brutality…

I would not use the Washington Free Beacon as a reliable source.


Hamas does use anti-Jewish propaganda and it starts from a young age, e.g. in school textbooks. However, random regular Gazans just living their lives would have no idea where hostages are. Right now they are just trying to survive.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I’m sure there are exceptions, but I’m wondering whether the majority of Palestinians do support Hamas. From my understanding children are indoctrinated into hatred toward Jews from young childhood and that killing Jews brings rewards. If the focus of the culture is to raise Jihadists, then it’s hard to imagine those being steeped in such hatred with a mission, would desire peace with those they have been taught to hate so intensely. I also have not read any articles or heard many or any Palestinian voices or
protests demanding Hamas release the abducted hostages. I’m not aware of any regular Palestinian civilians coming forth to reveal where the hostages may be hidden. I have also read that ordinary civilians of Gaza participated in the brutality…
Consider also that Christians & Jews are raised to believe
that Jews are God's Chosen People. Muslims lives are
something less for being different....for being a Satanic
religion (as fundie sects here preach).

This is why Israel tacitly allows settlers to kill Muslims,
why punishing Muslims for crimes is far harsher than
punishing Jews, & why the penalty for murdering
Muslims is as low as a 10 cent fine (Kafr Qasim Massacre).
It explains the rampant disregard for Palestinian human
rights, & even calls to wipe out Muslims.
‘Death to Arabs’ chanted in Jerusalem march
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Consider also that Christians & Jews are raised to believe
that Jews are God's Chosen People. Muslims lives are
something less for being different....for being a Satanic
religion (as fundie sects here preach).

This is why Israel tacitly allows settlers to kill Muslims,
why punishing Muslims for crimes is far harsher than
punishing Jews, & why the penalty for murdering
Muslims is as low as a 10 cent fine (Kafr Qasim Massacre).
It explains the rampant disregard for Palestinian human
rights, & even calls to wipe out Muslims.
‘Death to Arabs’ chanted in Jerusalem march
No, Jews and Christians are not taught to believe that Muslims lives are something “less”. Ideologies are less and may be considered satanic because some ideologies inspire hatred and violence. Human beings, all humans, are created in the image of God and therefore each live has inherent value. That is the belief of Jews and Christians.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
So Jewish, Christian, and Muslim religions are Satanic??
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No, Jews and Christians are not taught to believe that Muslims lives are something “less”. Ideologies are less and may be considered satanic because some ideologies inspire hatred and violence. Human beings, all humans, are created in the image of God and therefore each live has inherent value. That is the belief of Jews and Christians.
I don't think such teaching is overt.
But the results tell me that it is culturally inculcated.

And of course, I don't believe that all Christians, Jews,
& Muslims are that way. I've seen many oppose
barbarism wherever it infests.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
The madness needs to stop. All of it. Both Islamophobia and Anti-Semitism. The propaganda war of who can demonize the other more is mimicking the cycle of violence that needs to stop.



 

InChrist

Free4ever
I don't think such teaching is overt.
But the results tell me that it is culturally inculcated.

And of course, I don't believe that all Christians, Jews,
& Muslims are that way. I've seen many oppose
barbarism wherever it infests.
I agree, many Muslims, Jews, or Christians oppose barbarism. Yet, it does appear that in Gaza the idea of killing Jews and with the goal of eliminating Israel is quite overt and prevalent.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I agree, many Muslims, Jews, or Christians oppose barbarism. Yet, it does appear that in Gaza the idea of killing Jews and with the goal of eliminating Israel is quite overt and prevalent.
As is Israel's devaluing Palestinian lives, judging by the death count.
Round & round it goes.
Where it stops, nobody knows.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
The madness needs to stop. All of it. Both Islamophobia and Anti-Semitism. The propaganda war of who can demonize the other more is mimicking the cycle of violence that needs to stop.




All horrible, no doubt. All bigotry must be opposed.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
The biblical scriptures say how it will end. But I am aware that you likely aren’t interested or accept that information.
Yep, the dross lose real bad.

Idolatry for that location and then oppressing of widows and the fatherless is what prophecy mentions as the cause of the end for the dross.

And the best way to stop it, is end the pursuit of that mount permanently. Unless the Jews of the world can come together to end that pursuit, it will not be a good.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Meanwhile, it is still considered a war crime to attack human shields, especially when the attack is not in any way proportional to the value of taking out the target. At the Jabalya Refugee Camp in northern Gaza, civilians were ordered to leave and evacuate south, although the south is also being bombarded by the IDF. And Hamas is discouraging people in the north from fleeing south. Apparently, the IDF had information that one senior Hamas commander was at the Jabalya location, so they dropped a bomb on it, killing scores of civilians, many of whom were children. Here is an interview by CNN's Wolf Blitzer with an IDF spokesman, who explains IDF's position. Apparently, they don't know whether they succeeded in killing the one Hamas commander, but they know they killed a lot of civilians. It is hard to see how this attack could not be considered a war crime.

 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Meanwhile, it is still considered a war crime to attack human shields, ...
I tend to believe that it certainly should be viewed as such.

But, be that as it may, please answer the following questions:
  • Where in international law is this declared?
  • What guidance would you give the victims of the October 7th pogrom when it's perpetrators retreat behind a complex and sophisticated network of human shields?
Thanks.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
So if a mass shooter kills 20 people, the police should go in with bombs and tanks and wipe out the whole neighborhood, thats what Israelis are doing in Palestine, its just not right, there are much better ways to deal with the problem
 
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