Niatero
*banned*
What’s your plan for stopping it?
This is a side of Revoltingest that I’ve never seen before. Of course, I’ve never looked at any political discussions before.
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Israel Should Be Stopped
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This is a side of Revoltingest that I’ve never seen before. Of course, I’ve never looked at any political discussions before.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. Not really. I think it's absolutely tragic, but to think these people care about their own children is absolutely insane by virtue of their past actions.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Then blame the people doing it. Don't divert attention and responsibility to other groups doing other evil stuff to children as if the existence of one justifies or necessitates the other.
I have never once seen anyone on these forums claim that Hamas care about children, or any other Gazan civilian. Whether or not they care is irrelevant to the matter of whether certain actions taken by other groups directly contribute to the death and harm of children in such a way that is not reasonably justified or moderate.
In other words "These children were unjustly killed as a consequence of Israel's actions and policies" and "These children were unjustly killed by Hamas as a consequence of their extremism and terrorism" can both be true and both be worthy of criticism, and pointing one out doesn't discount or discredit the other.
There shouldn't be any.
It's that kind of bigotry that is driving Israel
to insane paranoia, resulting in the genocide
we see them pursue against Palestinians.
To believe that other people don't care about
their children is more hideous bigotry.
This is what Zionism has become, & it must
be stopped.
So many threads with so many posts.
Some thoughts about stopping Israel....
- End financial support.
- End military support.
- Stop sending them weapons.
- Protect Palestinians.
- Send food, water, medicine, clothing, housing, etc to Gaza.
- Economic embargo until apartheid & genocide end.
- Create Palestinian state.
- Negotiate with Hamas & others peace in exchange
for measurable progress on the above.
History shows that offering justice, rule of law,
economic prosperity, & autonomy have been
a path to peace. That's not yet been tried by
Israel, & it's long past due.
Niatero
*banned*
Okay, thanks.
I liked seeing your serious side, but I'm not planning to visit any more threads about political issues. I was just curious when I saw that it was you who started this thread.
No one posts more about politics than I.Okay, thanks.
But neither man nor Scot lives by serious topics alone.
And the humor forum is where we go to have fun, &
lessen the loathing of vexatious posters.
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If the USA stops propping them up with an unlimited supply of weapons and taxpayer dollars that could better be spent here at home on our own people, I think this would stop rather quickly.
From what I recall, Israel won the 6 day war without the help of anyone. It is because of this victory as much as anything that the US thought it would be good to ally itself with a winner in the Middle East.
Perhaps by eventual attrition, Israel would lose but I imagine a lot would be lost by everyone in the Middle East before that happens.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Oh yes it would stop rather quickly.
Israel would have to use less precise weaponry and thus rely on area bombardments with basic artillery and even planes.
At the same time without proper defences for Israeli civilians the Government would have to strike back even harder as Israeli civilians would die due to continued rocket fire by Hamas, PIJ and Hezbollah.
At the end the people you supposedly are in favour of would be far worse off.
So what you are saying is Israel cannot control itself when it comes to killing their neighbors, so better to give them more precise weapons???
InChrist
Free4ever
I think you are wrong and don’t know the history, other than the revisionist version…
“After the Bar Kokhba revolt suppression, a large Jewish settlement remained in the Land of Israel for the next 600 years, throughout the first centuries of the Christian Byzantine period.
The Holy Land was largely emptied of Jews only after the Arab conquest in the 7th century C.E. The Arabs dispossessed the Jews of their farmland, leaving most of them with no choice but to leave. Despite this, the Jews maintained a continual presence in the four cities of Jerusalem, Hebron, Tiberias, and Safed.
Throughout the Ottoman period in the Land of Israel, from 1517 to 1917 C.E., the land was an insignificant part of the Ottoman Empire. It was not even an Ottoman province in its own right, but only a part of the province of Syria. All the historical records of Europeans and Americans who visited the Holy Land during the Ottoman Empire period depicted an empty and abandoned land.
In the mid-19th century, for example, Mark Twain visited the Land of Israel. Twain described it as a "hopeless, dreary, heartbroken land."
“The land began to develop again only with the start of the Jewish settlements after the establishment of the Zionist movement, initiating waves of Jewish immigration to the Holy Land.
Significant development came only after the conquest of the land by the British Empire in 1917. This period is when many Arabs from neighboring countries made their way into the Land of Israel as migrant workers. Interestingly, the most popular surnames in the Palestinian Authority and Gaza Strip today include "Hijazi" (a region in Saudi Arabia), "Al-Masri" (which means Egyptian in Arabic), and "Halabi" (which is the city of Aleppo in Syria in Arabic). Other examples abound.
Before the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, the only people who called themselves "Palestinians" were the Jews. Many Zionist and Jewish organizations in Israel even incorporated the name Palestine into their names, such as the Zionist Jewish newspaper Palestine Post, which is now known as The Jerusalem Post.”
Why the Jewish People Are the Rightful Owners of the Land of Israel
Before the establishment of the State of Israel, the only people who called themselves "Palestinians" were the Jews.
www.newsweek.com
“Prior to 1948 with the creation of the State of Israel and its war with several invading Arab armies, all attempts by Jews to come back to their homeland were always by peaceful means, unlike almost all colonial movements. Lands were purchased often at exorbitant prices from the local population. Interestingly, Arab leaders in Palestine were generally the ones who sold land to the Jewish settlers.”
“The Zionists returning to Israel did not come to replace native indigenous populations. They themselves were the real natives and the indigenous population of the land of Israel. Let us bury once and for all the slanderous charges against the State of Israel as representing the colonial part of the phrase “settler colonialism”.
The ‘settler colonialists’ of Palestine
The anti-Israel epithet is a misdiagnosis that inverts the truth: It was the Jews who were exiled from their native land
blogs.timesofisrael.com
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
It's on the table and now the UN should force a deal, IMO:
Top Hamas official says group would agree to truce if independent Palestinian state established along pre-1967 borders
A top Hamas political official has told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a five-year truce with Israel and that it will lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.
www.pbs.org
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Ah so hudna.It's on the table and now the UN should force a deal, IMO:
Top Hamas official says group would agree to truce if independent Palestinian state established along pre-1967 borders
A top Hamas political official has told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a five-year truce with Israel and that it will lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.
What could possibly go wrong.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Plenty -- but what could go RIGHT if a solution blooms from this offer?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Fortunately England took that chance and the Troubles came to an end.
IMO, that post utterly ignores significant realities.I think you are wrong and don’t know the history, other than the revisionist version…
“After the Bar Kokhba revolt suppression, a large Jewish settlement remained in the Land of Israel for the next 600 years, throughout the first centuries of the Christian Byzantine period.
The Holy Land was largely emptied of Jews only after the Arab conquest in the 7th century C.E. The Arabs dispossessed the Jews of their farmland, leaving most of them with no choice but to leave. Despite this, the Jews maintained a continual presence in the four cities of Jerusalem, Hebron, Tiberias, and Safed.
Throughout the Ottoman period in the Land of Israel, from 1517 to 1917 C.E., the land was an insignificant part of the Ottoman Empire. It was not even an Ottoman province in its own right, but only a part of the province of Syria. All the historical records of Europeans and Americans who visited the Holy Land during the Ottoman Empire period depicted an empty and abandoned land.
In the mid-19th century, for example, Mark Twain visited the Land of Israel. Twain described it as a "hopeless, dreary, heartbroken land."
“The land began to develop again only with the start of the Jewish settlements after the establishment of the Zionist movement, initiating waves of Jewish immigration to the Holy Land.
Significant development came only after the conquest of the land by the British Empire in 1917. This period is when many Arabs from neighboring countries made their way into the Land of Israel as migrant workers. Interestingly, the most popular surnames in the Palestinian Authority and Gaza Strip today include "Hijazi" (a region in Saudi Arabia), "Al-Masri" (which means Egyptian in Arabic), and "Halabi" (which is the city of Aleppo in Syria in Arabic). Other examples abound.
Before the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, the only people who called themselves "Palestinians" were the Jews. Many Zionist and Jewish organizations in Israel even incorporated the name Palestine into their names, such as the Zionist Jewish newspaper Palestine Post, which is now known as The Jerusalem Post.”
Why the Jewish People Are the Rightful Owners of the Land of Israel
Before the establishment of the State of Israel, the only people who called themselves "Palestinians" were the Jews.
“Prior to 1948 with the creation of the State of Israel and its war with several invading Arab armies, all attempts by Jews to come back to their homeland were always by peaceful means, unlike almost all colonial movements. Lands were purchased often at exorbitant prices from the local population. Interestingly, Arab leaders in Palestine were generally the ones who sold land to the Jewish settlers.”
“The Zionists returning to Israel did not come to replace native indigenous populations. They themselves were the real natives and the indigenous population of the land of Israel. Let us bury once and for all the slanderous charges against the State of Israel as representing the colonial part of the phrase “settler colonialism”.
The ‘settler colonialists’ of Palestine
The anti-Israel epithet is a misdiagnosis that inverts the truth: It was the Jews who were exiled from their native land
But so it goes when religious orientation can drive
a perspective.
I fully expect it to fail, now that tempers haveIt's on the table and now the UN should force a deal, IMO:
Top Hamas official says group would agree to truce if independent Palestinian state established along pre-1967 borders
A top Hamas political official has told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a five-year truce with Israel and that it will lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.
flared so badly on both sides, especially Israel.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Ah I see you don't know what hudna is.
Typical westerner.
I must've missed the part where the IRA wanted to kill all English people and conquer the entire British Isles.
Oh and hold selected English people as convenient slaves.
Rookie mistake of me.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The mistake is not wanting to address the point.