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Italy and Hungary oppose warfare supply to Ukraine

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Hitler is a valid topic when an Italian
employs the ad hominen attack on USA.
It's a stone thrown in a glass house thingie.

I am the first who criticize my own country.

In fact there are so many warmongers in my country. Those who want us Italians to go to fight against Russians.
These people make me vomit. And are Italians.

You think that all Americans are flawless, right?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I am the first who criticize my own country.
I thought I was.

In fact there are so many warmongers in my country. Those who want us Italians to go to fight against Russians.
And the warmongers who side with Putin's
invasion of Ukraine, & slaughter of many.
You think that all Americans are flawless, right?
Is that a rhetorical question making a claim,
or do you believe that I think that?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I thought I was.


And the warmongers who side with Putin's
invasion of Ukraine, & slaughter of many.
Putin is a great leader. He is only saving Donbas from the sewer of warmongers who attacked it in 2014.

Is that a rhetorical question making a claim,
or do you believe that I think that?
I think that psychologically you need to believe that America has never committed a war crime in its entire history.
A psychologist can confirm or refute that.

I am different. I am the first who says that fascists were warmongers who deserved to be tried for crimes against humanity in Ethiopia and that Mussolini betrayed Italians by declaring war on nations that did nothing to us.
Italians then executed him...but he saw that coming.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
I think that psychologically you need to believe that America has never committed a war crime in its entire history.
A psychologist can confirm or refute that.
That would be wrong..... a historian would be better at that..... psychologist are not generally used to confirm or deny historical events. And before you go on your unsubstantiated attack mode to avoid inconvenient facts..... what was done to the Native Americans is, IMO, a war crime. And there have been others. Very few nations are without them, including Italy.... if their history (not psychology) is long enough
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Putin is a great leader.
To laud Putin is to shed light
on why Italy favored Hitler.
I think that psychologically you need to believe that America has never committed a war crime in its entire history.
A psychologist can confirm or refute that.
I think that psychologically, your posts are
slavish devotion to brutal centralized power.
A love of fascists, dictators, & thugs.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
To laud Putin is to shed light
on why Italy favored Hitler.
Hitler attacked Russia and hated socialists...for the record.
What you say makes 0 sense.
I think that psychologically, your posts are
slavish devotion to brutal centralized power.
A love of fascists, dictators, & thugs.
I was expecting something like: "No, I do believe my country did commit war crimes in Iraq, Syria...etc...etc...".

Unfortunately I am a deluded person.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
That would be wrong..... a historian would be better at that..... psychologist are not generally used to confirm or deny historical events. And before you go on your unsubstantiated attack mode to avoid inconvenient facts..... what was done to the Native Americans is, IMO, a war crime. And there have been others. Very few nations are without them, including Italy.... if their history (not psychology) is long enough
What about Iraq?
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
What about Iraq?
What part of my post that said. and I quote "And there have been others" did you not understand.....maybe you would understand the is better
И были другие
I mean what about Stalin....

And while we are on it, What about Iraq..... please specify......
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
But before that, when he was rounding up Jews,
homos, Roma, etc, & invading Poland, Italy was
sucking up to & cheering on their ally, Hitler.
If you read The Banality of Evil by Arendt, you would know that Italians boycotted the death machine of the Holocaust by saving so many Jews.
Arendt herself writes that Mussolini didn't implement any deportation...because the racial laws were a mere formality to appease Hitler and that many fascists helped Jews hide. But then the Nazis invaded Italy.




 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What part of my post that said. and I quote "And there have been others" did you not understand.....maybe you would understand the is better
И были другие
I mean what about Stalin....

And while we are on it, What about Iraq..... please specify......

I asked a specific question.
Have the United States committed war crimes in the 21st century? Yes or no. If yes, list them.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If you read The Banality of Evil by Arendt, you would know that Italians boycotted the death machine of the Holocaust by saving so many Jews.
There were & are (no doubt) some good Italians.
Not all Hitler, Mussolini, or Putin loving fascists.
 
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