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JD Vance - A Gift To Biden

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
If one makes a conscious effort, one can observe
one's biases. I try to be aware of them, particularly
when I read stories I agree with....the hardest to spot.
Example...
I spot my pro-abortion bias regularly.
And there are others too!

It's few and far between who can see, and set aside, their own biases.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Set them aside?
Oh, no....no, no, no.
Just be aware.
Oh, I am aware of my own biases. For instance, I know I come from a position as a 21st century American white woman.

And here's the deal - I don't believe we can judge everything from such a perspective, though we can judge many things.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Trump has said that he prefers to leave abortion up to the states.
Yet his VP pick advocates federal tracking of women crossing
state lines.
Excerpted...
An apparent audio leak from what is said to be a previous interview has Senator J.D. Vance on a recording suggesting that women crossing state lines to obtain abortions should be stopped via "federal response."

The clip features a voice that 'resembles Vance' speculating on an imaginary scenario: "Imagine Roe vs. Wade is overturned. Ohio outlaws abortion by 2022, maybe 2024. Meanwhile, George Soros funds daily flights from Columbus, transporting predominantly Black women to California for abortions. The left would likely praise this as a triumph for diversity. That's rather unsettling, don't you think?" Vance allegedly says in the clip.

The voice in the video continues, "In such a scenario, would federal action be necessary to prevent it? It’s quite disturbing, and I must admit, I’m somewhat in favor of that."

The account that posted the audio labeled it a "stunning leak" and criticized the Ohio senator for advocating a "federal response to prevent women from traveling from red states to blue states for reproductive healthcare."

The full podcast is available here with a Patreon subscription. Vance's past comments on abortion focused on uplifting his state's six-week ban and denouncing mail-order birth control. He's also publicly supported a national ban.

Not only is Vance literally inventing a scenario used to outrage listeners, he invokes George Soros as the abortion-providing boogeyman, a favorite antisemitic trope of the right-wing party.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I would bet abortion is left up to the states. It's not a big, burning issue to most people.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I would bet abortion is left up to the states.
Vance's comments show intent otherwise, ie, a desire
to get the federal government involved. Surveilling
women who cross state lines is a very Big Brother move.
It's not a big, burning issue to most people.
It's a big issue to many of us.
And could become an even bigger
factor in this election now.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Vance's comments show otherwise, ie, a desire
to get the federal government involved, ie,
surveilling women who cross state lines.

It's a big issue to many of us.
And could become an even bigger
factor in this election now.
It could be, but honestly, I doubt it.

And have you ever known, other than Harris, a VP who really had any power?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It could be, but honestly, I doubt it.
It's unlikely that Vance & Trump could get
away with something like that. But their
intention to do something like that speaks
volumes about their value of civil rights.
And have you ever known, other than Harris, a VP who really had any power?
You'll note that Veeps become President
more often than any other group. And
they sometimes cast the deciding vote in
the Senate. And VP Pence famously single
handedly stopped Trump from over-throwing
the 2020 election.

Why do you minimize the significance of this?
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
It's unlikely that Vance & Trump could get
away with something like that. But their
intention to do something like that speaks
volumes about their value of civil rights.

You'll note that Veeps become President
more often than any other group. And
they sometimes cast the deciding vote in
the Senate.

Why do you minimize the significance of this?
I'm not minimizing anything. I'm simply stating things as I see them. And for the record, I don't see Harris winning the race but hey, that's just me.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm not minimizing anything. I'm simply stating things as I see them.
Just independent statements, eh.
And for the record, I don't see Harris winning the race but hey, that's just me.
Yet you come to a thread about Vance
to make a claim about Harris's chances.
Your posts appear to dismiss any problems
with Vance, & any positives about Harris.
I read between the lines, & see favoring
Trump over Harris.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Just independent statements, eh.

Yet you come to a thread about Vance
to make a claim about Harris's chances.
Your posts appear to dismiss any problems
with Vance, & any positives about Harris.
I read between the lines, & see favoring
Trump over Harris.
Like I've said repeatedly, I am not voting for either Trump or Harris.

That being said, I am a registered Republican (though I may switch to Independent) and Vance is from my neck of the woods so you don't need to read between the lines, I'll straight up tell you I'd rather have Trump/Vance than Harris/Whoever.
 
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