Jesus in Heaven is not God

[Soapy]

Which means they will know that Jesus is a divine being and creator of this world.

No, it means that they will know that he was indeed the promised messiah:

• “When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”

If Jesus was ‘Divine’ and therefore could do great works then what of those Jesus spoke of here:

• “Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing,…”
• “… and they will do even greater things than these,…’

So they who believe on Jesus will do greater works that Jesus himself… According to you, then, these will be more ’Divine’ than Jesus!!!

 

[Colt]

Yes, it says so in the scriptures:

Jesus speaks of the return of the Son of Man coming with the clouds along with angels of God:

• “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matt 26:64)

The Father Also bore witness to the identity of Jesus as The Son of God. Jesus was both human and divine in one miraculous individual.

 

[Colt]

No, it means that they will know that he was indeed the promised messiah:

• “When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”

Jesus left without fulfilling the false expectations of a Jewish Messiah which the Jews had developed.

Is your Jesus still human in heaven?

 

[Soapy]

You haven't debunked anything, rather you quote things Jesus never said in defense of your unbelief about the true identity if the Son of man who came down from heaven.

Are you saying that you believe that Jesus was a man in Heaven before coming to be born on earth?

 

[Soapy]

The Father Also bore witness to the identity of Jesus as The Son of God. Jesus was both human and divine in one miraculous individual.

What do you mean by ‘Divine’?

 

[Colt]

Are you saying that you believe that Jesus was a man in Heaven before coming to be born on earth?

No, he is a celestial being with God the Father from the eternal past. The Father delegates powers and authority to his Sons.

After the voluntary death of his mortal body the Son of God returned in a new form, his human dodgy was disposed of.

 

[Colt]

Are you saying that you believe that Jesus was a man in Heaven before coming to be born on earth?

No, he is a celestial being with God the Father from the eternal past. The Father delegates powers and authority to his Sons.

After the voluntary death of his mortal body the Son of God returned in a new form, his human body was disposed of.

 

[Soapy]

Jesus left without fulfilling the false expectations of a Jewish Messiah which the Jews had developed.

Is your Jesus still human in heaven?

Jesus was not born to fulfil the false expectations that the Jews had developed.

The Jews thought the messiah would be a military leader who would extract them from the oppression they were under by the Romans.

Yes, Jesus is STILL a human Being in Heaven…

• ‘The Son of Man who is in Heaven’…
• ‘You will see the Son of Man coming with the clouds’…
• ‘In the night vision I saw one like the Son of Man brought before the Ancient of Days and he was given great power and authority to rule’

 

[Soapy]

No, he is a celestial being with God the Father from the eternal past. The Father delegates powers and authority to his Sons.

After the voluntary death of his mortal body the Son of God returned in a new form, his human dodgy was disposed of.

So why is he called ‘Son of Man in Heaven’

If he is ‘Divine’, why is Jesus only GRANTED power and authority ‘For a time’ by the Father. After that ‘time’ Jesus ‘HANDS BACK’ the power and authority to the Father.

Is Jesus DIVINE before he is granted power and authority … and after he hands it back to the Father?

 

[Colt]

What do you mean by ‘Divine’?

Divine means a deity, God.

 

[Colt]

Jesus was not born to fulfil the false expectations that the Jews had developed.

The Jews thought the messiah would be a military leader who would extract them from the oppression they were under by the Romans.

Yes, Jesus is STILL a human Being in Heaven…

• ‘The Son of Man who is in Heaven’…
• ‘You will see the Son of Man coming with the clouds’…
• ‘In the night vision I saw one like the Son of Man brought before the Ancient of Days and he was given great power and authority to rule’

That’s ridiculous! After the return Jesus is in a new form, he suddenly appears in locked rooms.

 

[Colt]

So why is he called ‘Son of Man in Heaven’

If he is ‘Divine’, why is Jesus only GRANTED power and authority ‘For a time’ by the Father. After that ‘time’ Jesus ‘HANDS BACK’ the power and authority to the Father.

Is Jesus DIVINE before he is granted power and authority … and after he hands it back to the Father?

He isn’t, he’s called Christ Michael. Son of man just referred to himself.

 

[Soapy]

Divine means a deity, God.

So you are saying that Jesus is GOD??!!!

Are you saying that ‘The Son of Man’ is ALMIGHTY GOD?

 

[Soapy]

He isn’t, he’s called Christ Michael. Son of man just referred to himself.

You are answering my question.

“Son of man just referred to himself.”… Yes, it means he is a human Being as others like Ezekiel was called by God…

Or are you saying that Ezekiel was ALSO GOD, and Divine…?

 

[Colt]

So you are saying that Jesus is GOD??!!!

Are you saying that ‘The Son of Man’ is ALMIGHTY GOD?

Yes, ALL divine beings are unified with God. They are all God.

 

[Colt]

You are answering my question.

“Son of man just referred to himself.”… Yes, it means he is a human Being as others like Ezekiel was called by God…

Or are you saying that Ezekiel was ALSO GOD, and Divine…?

Jesus was both human and divine. The human Jesus died on the cross, the divine Son of God never died, he waited 3 days and returned in a new form.

 

[amazing grace]

Jesus looked like his earth Father Joseph because he was conceived the normal way. Nobody in Nazareth or Israel knew anything about Mary getting pregnant by the holy spirit. That was added later.

John 1​

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New International Version​

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The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

Best translation NEB "what God was, the Word was" identifying 'the Word' and God as closely as possible without infringing the belief in the One God. (Christology in Context: The Earliest Christian Response to Jesus, p. 198)
'When John said the word was God he was not saying that Jesus was identical with God; he was saying that Jesus was so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, and in beings that in him (Jesus) we perfectly see what God is like.' (The Gospel of John, rev. ed. 2 volumes, 1:39)

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God which is a divine being who now sits in heaven with all power and authority in heaven and on earth.

Yes, Jesus carries the title as the Son of God, sent by God via a miraculous conception and Jesus was given all power and authority in heaven and on earth by God his Father, the only true God.

 

[Soapy]

That’s ridiculous! After the return Jesus is in a new form, he suddenly appears in locked rooms.

Jesus’ body, after he was raised up from the dead, is a glorified body which is not limited in space and time like our in glorified bodies. A glorified body is also an immortal body so it cannot ‘die’ like our bodies.

I think you are thrashing… you really don’t know how else to try to deny the truth you are hearing!

 

[Colt]

Best translation NEB "what God was, the Word was" identifying 'the Word' and God as closely as possible without infringing the belief in the One God. (Christology in Context: The Earliest Christian Response to Jesus, p. 198)
'When John said the word was God he was not saying that Jesus was identical with God; he was saying that Jesus was so perfectly the same as God in mind, in heart, and in beings that in him (Jesus) we perfectly see what God is like.' (The Gospel of John, rev. ed. 2 volumes, 1:39)

Yes, Jesus carries the title as the Son of God, sent by God via a miraculous conception and Jesus was given all power and authority in heaven and on earth by God his Father, the only true God.

God is ALL divine beings which are indistinguishable to man. They are all spiritual beings. The spirit of Christ is hear among us along with the Father and other spirits of God.

 

[Soapy]

Jesus was both human and divine. The human Jesus died on the cross, the divine Son of God never died, he waited 3 days and returned in a new form.

Did you just Google that?